People say buss-kin are impervious to damage?
Hey I know that 1311! I'm the one who broke it! I had my warranty replacement in hand 7 or 8 days later [emoji106]
Nothing is impervious to breakage, not even Bussekin. Although in regards to my broken 1311: assuming it wasn't a heat treat issue that caused the break, I'm guessing that blade might have survived if it was INFI, rather than Sr101.
Its only fair that I say I think it was user error, fatigue, and general carelessness that was mostly responsible for this particular failure.
Great post ocnLogan! you make some excellent points...
OP- If you have any nice knife shops in your area, I second ocrLogan's advice and recommend you go see how the different options feel in hand.
Either way, enjoy the hunt!
....And the accusation above that the Junglas gets inconsistent ratings around here is laughable especially when recommending anything cold steel over a Junglas. Simply not true at all :thumbup:
Wow. When you aim it right at me I better respond....
First, pull up a Junglas search here. Over time it's the most inconsistently rated single big knife I've ever seen here. People are all over the place on it over the years. Frankly the ones I've used have felt cheap and they'll numb your hand with about ten minutes of really hard bush work. That's my own experience with them.
What IS laughable though is your "anything CS over a Junglas" comment. I guarantee you my CS Trailmaster san mai will put a Junglas broken and in the dirt for all-round performer in survival/camp/shtf....which the OP originally asked about. No comparison.
Next time write a little more accurately and stay in your budget. You seem to "read" more than you "use."
You guys can love your Junglai but let's try to keep it real.
To the OP, if you could find a place nearby that stocks some of these, you could get a feel for what fits your hand better, which could help out a lot in this process.
What do you feel is "large"? I've found that people see things very differently, and frequently comment about how my BK2 is a lot bigger than the classic kabar USMC, even though its blade and overall length is shorter.
And the question about what exactly you'll be using it for, and how you'll be getting around are good ones. If you're plan is to sit in one spot, then large blades make more sense. If you're wanting to go a large distance, then lighter blades might make more sense.
Agreed that no one looking for something large will find a huge difference in how they carry. They're fairly similar in overall size. I still feel that the BK9 is more "knifeish" while the junglas is more "chopperish", but that's just a preference thing.
Yeah, every time someone mentions a broken Becker, its these few photos (aside from the top one, which isn't a Becker) that are usually mentioned. You can see in the photos that those are all roll stamped models, so at least 2-3 years old at least now. And I don't know offhand if anyone has ever been able to tell if these are Kabar, or Camillus BK9's (the stamps on the other side). Anyway, from what I have heard/seen around the Becker subforum, the Camillus BK9's were much more prone to breakage. Also, the roll stamping was done away with to reduce stress risers from the stamping process (not that that would have helped in these particular cases, since it is the edge we're seeing). I've not yet seen a broken BK9 of recent vintage, if that's worth anything.
For what its worth, in all of the broken Becker knife threads I've been able to find online, they have all been replaced under warranty. Same thing with the Kabar (heavy bowie mostly) threads that I could find. The main difference in my mind is that ESEE is committed to replacing your knife if you're an idiot and do it on purpose. Kabar/Becker seems to avoid replacing those knives with the way their warranty is worded.
And surprisingly, one of the things you apparently had issues with were the handles, which funnily enough is one of the things I like best about Becker knives. The shape is great, and the grivory to me is the perfect amount of slip + grip. Mostly what that means to me is no blisters, even with extended use (2hr +). But yeah, maybe someday try another one with the factory Micarta. If the scales were the only thing that put you off of it, I guess that's been "fixed" for a while now.
And finally. I'm not saying that Becker (or anyone else for that matter) is immune to failures, or bad blades. Just saying that with any mass produced knife, its possible to have a few that don't meet QC specs that end up making their way out the door. That's where warranties come in, ESEE of course has that covered, and so far I've not yet seen a warranty request denied from Kabar/Becker.
Final side note that "proves" this point, is that when you search for images of "broken ESEE" and "Broken Becker", all sorts of other knives show up. And again, this isn't bashing any of these companies. Just saying that any knife can break, either due to user error, or missed HT, and as long as its not a systemic problem and the warranty covers it, I've got no problem.
People say buss-kin are impervious to damage?
Here is a rowen produced ESEE
Cold Steel
There is no doubt that you can break any blade(and I stated that in my post, you must have missed it), which is why I only posted pics of divots taken out of edges. Not straight out blade fractures like you just did(a little disingenuous on your part maybe?) . You posted a pic of a scrapyard 13 inch blade broken in half. The only one I know of and it is made of SR101. Fair enough, but that is not a divot out of the edge is it. I could have posted these as well:
I wasn't posting broken blade pics because that was not the point. But the above pics show a pattern in some of them. Each of these has a story some of them were not abuse. There are maybe junglas damage pics and one scrapyard knife pic. Look at the overwhelming broken Beckers.
I stand by my opinion that ESEE is a better knife. Has a thin edge which cuts easily as well if not better. Better handle, and better sheath. I surely didn't think this was an arguable point. It's also more expensive.
And as for Scrapyard, if you can find one, it is tougher than anything posted in here in spite of the one broken blade you have found. I would certainly try to stay away from comparing becker to scrapyard. They are not in the same league at all, toughness wise. I just sent a Scrapyard 911 knife to another member who is going to test it against his cpm3V blade and post results. Anyone want to send that member a Becker? See how long it lasts? I did put my money where my mouth is, if my knife fails all will know. The point of the comparison is to see how it does against 3V.
Yeah, sorry for derailing the thread guys, my bad :/.
To the OP, any feedback on what length you were really wanting when you said "large"? Without that we're kind of just guessing what you might want, and could be totally off.
What is that knife above? I've seen the profile, but can't place the model name off the top of my head.
Wow. When you aim it right at me I better respond....
First, pull up a Junglas search here. Over time it's the most inconsistently rated single big knife I've ever seen here. People are all over the place on it over the years. Frankly the ones I've used have felt cheap and they'll numb your hand with about ten minutes of really hard bush work. That's my own experience with them.
What IS laughable though is your "anything CS over a Junglas" comment. I guarantee you my CS Trailmaster san mai will put a Junglas broken and in the dirt for all-round performer in survival/camp/shtf....which the OP originally asked about. No comparison.
Next time write a little more accurately and stay in your budget. You seem to "read" more than you "use."
You guys can love your Junglai but let's try to keep it real.