Power Hammer Power Plant

JTknives

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So with the new shop coming along (posting update pics tonight) I have been thinking heavily about adding a power hammer. My first thought was to find a cheep little giant hammer but then I relized my error in that thought "cheep lol". So my mind moved to building something. I have seen quite a few designes from foot powered to air operated. Hammers seam simple in principle and I just need a way to move a ram up and down and build in a way to get some whip to it.

I have acquired a rather heavy duty gear reducer that is on a motor mount frame with a love joy. My thought was 3phase and vfd. The ratio is 15:1 so a 3450rpm motor would give about 230bpm at 100%. Am I completely off base thinking this will work?

For the whip I'm wondering and this is kinda out of the box so you might want to sit down. I'm wondering if I used an air cylinder and "corked" each air port I would have a spring of sorts. Now it would have a lot of whip at zero pressure (one atmosphere 14psi). But if I connected both ports togather with a pipe and a valve between the ports and a way to add air to the system I should be able to adjust piston location and whip strength. You would open the valve connecting both ports and then pressurise the system. With the valve open you should be able move the piston up or down and the high pressure air will just move from one side to the other. Once you shut the valve the piston will lock in that position and you will essentially have a spring holding the ram up and pushing it down at the same time. The higher the pressure the stronger the push pull force needed to move the the piston up and down.

If I bolt the air ram to a fly wheel with a bearing and the piston of the air ram to the hammer with a pivot and bearing I should have a linkage of sorts. This could all be mounted on top of a hammer frame. Your foot peddle would just be a VFD speed control. When you turned the hammer on the motor would rotate at its slowest set speed and would slowly go up and down but not reach the anvil. You would have the air ram set so once you picked up the speed the force of the hammer would over come the air ram and whip the hammer down to the anvil. The faster you go the harder it hits.

I could be way off base but you know how I love thinking out of the box. What do you guys think, any ideas to add?
 
Firstly, there is nothing cheap about Little Giants ! You might get one cheap, but its gonna need alot of work.
Then again, you might get lucky...

Anyway, I say you are way over thinking the airspring scheme. I have 25lb L.G. & 50lb Berkely, make more than just knives seldom ever adjust the ram stroke in years.
Dies are always just 1/4" or so apart
Strength of hit is determined by ram speed.
Flywheel effect of the coneclutch overcomes inertia getting the ram moving. I think you would a need considerable bigger motor otherwise.
 
I was thinking about trying to get my hands on a set of tire hammer plans. Ever sence I got to sneak over to salems place and try his hammer I have wanted one.
 
I wish I could see a schematic of the air circuit on an air driven hammer. Otherwise I intend to also build a tire hammer at some point in the future.
 
Seeing a drawing would help a fair bit. I've done a lot of these projects, but I need to see something to figure out how it will work.
If you'd like when you post something, I can send it to my dad to look over. He's a doctor of engineering as well as a very good machinist, and one of the best people I've came across (not just because it's family) at figuring out designs and making machines and tools work very well. He designed a few machines in my shop, and I wouldn't trade them for anything commercially available.
 
You might want to try and get in touch with John Larson. He was the maker of the Iron Kiss air hammer. It was a wonderful machine. He has stopped making them due to age and health. Decker ( Rob Deckelbaum) was a friend of heis and may be of help getting his contact info. IIRC, at one time he published the plans and info on it. I remember John saying that anyone with good machine shop skills and who understands pneumatics can build one.

Use the custom search and enter "Iron Kiss Hammer" and you will get a lot of old threads on it. A regular Google search of "John Larson Iron Kiss" will aslo get a lot to read.

Here is a thread with lots of short videos of Decker and John using one:
http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/power-hammer-friday.935417/

In this video is of his prototype hammer you can see the simplicity of the control linkage:
 
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