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My apologies for my disguised pejorative term but I did mean it very endearingly :)

OTOH, I clearly don't know Mr. Keffleer's Sasquatch from his Silverback! I'm hereby putting myself on my own ignorance list :oops:
I love it when you talk dirty to me Casino!
The Silverback is pretty much just a smaller version of the Sasquatch
 
OTOH, I clearly don't know Mr. Keffleer's Sasquatch from his Silverback! I'm hereby putting myself on my own ignorance list :oops:

All you need to know is, when Dan wants to cut down a tree he uses a sword. He made videos to prove it.

Not even Chick Norris can make that claim.

Yeah, I said it!
 
All you need to know is, when Dan wants to cut down a tree he uses a sword. He made videos to prove it.

Not even Chick Norris can make that claim.

Yeah, I said it!
That's because Chuck Norris doesn't need a sword. He just looks at the tree and it falls apart into a bundle of 2x4's.

:D
 
Chuck Norris is 77 Years old, If he is still wearing those tight jeans my guess he can't get a roundhouse up past the top of his Tennis shoes! My Money is on Dan:thumbsup::(
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Chuck is clearly preparing to shed his mortal coil and ascend. For anyone who doesn't know, when you ascend, you must orient yourself to the ground above you. Clearly he is doing that as he grows out of himself upside down.
 
Indeed.
Chuck is clearly preparing to shed his mortal coil and ascend. For anyone who doesn't know, when you ascend, you must orient yourself to the ground above you. Clearly he is doing that as he grows out of himself upside down.
 
Yay it's time for a Friday sale! It's been a while.

3" EDC in heat treat optimized CPM 4V Friday 16th on the CPK forum at 3:00 eastern time.

Since this is a new offering these will be here on our forum, not out on the main forum, so I can post ahead of time with a description and unlock at 3:00.

CPM 4V, when given the industry standard heat treat, has high hardness and good abrasion resistance but a crumbly chippy edge that doesn't hold up well to rough use. Over the winter we did our homework and developed an optimized heat treat for it that performs very well. In fact this has better edge retention than Delta 3V in both abrasive materials and in rough use <--- and that is really saying something. The down sides to it are less gross toughness and low stain resistance. So this is the knife for you if you want something that takes a sharp thin edge and holds it in all kinds of use, but not a general purpose knife to lend to an idiot neighbor. They're HRC 63-64, thin, and 18 DPS. This is a knife-nut knife.

While this steel is not as tough as D3V, it is still tougher than most steels you'll come across and our test knives (including the little 3" EDC with a thin edge and 18DPS) can still cut 16D nails without breaking. The breaks we've seen happened when batoning concrete with a 4 pound hammer, so it's pretty tough, just not D3V tough.

It's worth noting that Peter's HT had already developed their own HT for this material that, like ours, does not use the secondary hardening hump. We've all looked at the SHH, and it doesn't work well for cutlery. Our HT has a few additional steps and other differences but is in the same family and is essentially the difference between Delta 3V and the previous low temperature tweaks. Their 4V was already very good (and has been used to win world cutting championships) but I think ours is probably the best in the industry at this point.
 
Great news about your EDC in 4V, which to my mind is an American version of Vanadis 4 Extra. I’ll be waiting at my keyboard. Love your stuff and appreciate the research and testing you put into your knives.


But I’m surprised that you think 4V is a chippy, crumbly steel. That hasn’t been my experience. When I tested ZT 0180’s V4E in a hard chopping test on bailing wire, it came out as a top performer, roughly as good as 3V, including the Delta 3V and Bluntcut’s custom reheat of a 3V blade, which before that re-heat treat was prone to chipping.


There have been lots of tests where the reviewers beat the snot out of the ZT 0180 and it turned in an amazing performance.


Here’s one by Bodog on the forum:

http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/zt-0180-hard-use.1305088/


DeadboxHero also did a thread on some hard testing of the 0180, which I can’t find. I also got one of Daniel Malanika’s 4V (close to V4E) pukkos, which is a special run set up by DeadboxHero. It’s run at 64 Rc with a Peter’s heat treat. I’ve tested the edge by whittling hard wood aggressively, including lateral prying in the wood, and it’s held up perfectly well. Not chippy at all.


Zero Tolerance heat treated its 0180 to 60-62 Rc.


Uddeholm promotes Vanadis 4E for applications where chipping is an issue:

http://www.uddeholm.com/files/PB_Uddeholm_vanadis_4_extra_english.pdf


My impression is that 4V is a little less tough than 3V, but holds an edge better, and it’s tougher (resistant to chipping) than M4.
 
Yay it's time for a Friday sale! It's been a while.

3" EDC in heat treat optimized CPM 4V Friday 16th on the CPK forum at 3:00 eastern time.

Since this is a new offering these will be here on our forum, not out on the main forum, so I can post ahead of time with a description and unlock at 3:00.

CPM 4V, when given the industry standard heat treat, has high hardness and good abrasion resistance but a crumbly chippy edge that doesn't hold up well to rough use. Over the winter we did our homework and developed an optimized heat treat for it that performs very well. In fact this has better edge retention than Delta 3V in both abrasive materials and in rough use <--- and that is really saying something. The down sides to it are less gross toughness and low stain resistance. So this is the knife for you if you want something that takes a sharp thin edge and holds it in all kinds of use, but not a general purpose knife to lend to an idiot neighbor. They're HRC 63-64, thin, and 18 DPS. This is a knife-nut knife.

While this steel is not as tough as D3V, it is still tougher than most steels you'll come across and our test knives (including the little 3" EDC with a thin edge and 18DPS) can still cut 16D nails without breaking. The breaks we've seen happened when batoning concrete with a 4 pound hammer, so it's pretty tough, just not D3V tough.

It's worth noting that Peter's HT had already developed their own HT for this material that, like ours, does not use the secondary hardening hump. We've all looked at the SHH, and it doesn't work well for cutlery. Our HT has a few additional steps and other differences but is in the same family and is essentially the difference between Delta 3V and the previous low temperature tweaks. Their 4V was already very good (and has been used to win world cutting championships) but I think ours is probably the best in the industry at this point.

Hi Nathan, I'm new to CPK so I'm trying to read more than post but I can't find any info on pricing for the 4v EDC. Could you please provide me with the info? Thanks
 
At Blade Show, a G10 4V EDC was tagged at $255. The regular micarta would probably be $10 less. I would imagine the the pricing will follow what was charged at Blade. Perhaps a bit more than the G10 for anything antique micarta. All with kydex sheath included in price. I'm pretty sure the 4V are a bit more than the D3V to begin with. I'd wait for Nathan's posting early Friday morning that will likely have all the info you would need, including priciing. Doubtful that the pricing would be any different than at Blade. If it is, someone will probably put a gun to my head.

The Friday sale will be the first opportunity the public will have to acquire one of these 4V EDCs, since it was at Blade that they were first introduced.
 
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Great news about your EDC in 4V, which to my mind is an American version of Vanadis 4 Extra. I’ll be waiting at my keyboard. Love your stuff and appreciate the research and testing you put into your knives.


But I’m surprised that you think 4V is a chippy, crumbly steel. That hasn’t been my experience. When I tested ZT 0180’s V4E in a hard chopping test on bailing wire, it came out as a top performer, roughly as good as 3V, including the Delta 3V and Bluntcut’s custom reheat of a 3V blade, which before that re-heat treat was prone to chipping.


There have been lots of tests where the reviewers beat the snot out of the ZT 0180 and it turned in an amazing performance.


Here’s one by Bodog on the forum:

http://www.bladeforums.com/threads/zt-0180-hard-use.1305088/


DeadboxHero also did a thread on some hard testing of the 0180, which I can’t find. I also got one of Daniel Malanika’s 4V (close to V4E) pukkos, which is a special run set up by DeadboxHero. It’s run at 64 Rc with a Peter’s heat treat. I’ve tested the edge by whittling hard wood aggressively, including lateral prying in the wood, and it’s held up perfectly well. Not chippy at all.


Zero Tolerance heat treated its 0180 to 60-62 Rc.


Uddeholm promotes Vanadis 4E for applications where chipping is an issue:

http://www.uddeholm.com/files/PB_Uddeholm_vanadis_4_extra_english.pdf


My impression is that 4V is a little less tough than 3V, but holds an edge better, and it’s tougher (resistant to chipping) than M4.


I don't doubt your observations at all. Like I said, Peter's tested very well, and they're not using the industry standard HT that utilizes the SHH like is prescribed in the data sheet. Theirs is not chippy, I've tested it, it's good. And I expect the same can probably be said for the other good performers. There were two test pieces in our testing with poor performance, both using the secondary hardening hump (as prescribed). One was processed using the industry standard HT (which is optimized for stamping tooling where dimensional changes are more important than the behavior of the microstructure in thin sections), the other also using the SHH but with cryo treatments. None with the SHH performed very well. The best results were with low temp tweaks (like Peters and probably others are using) and our final process is in that family. There are additional steps and variables and we have attempted to optimize it. We've settled on a process that produces the best we've tested. This is after fooling with it all winter and consuming numerous blades, meters of foil, about 60 liters of LN, and testing using controlled geometry and cut media so I think we probably got pretty close to optimal with it. That was the goal anyway...
 
Betzner is correct. Black or Natural micarta is $245, solid G10 is $255, Maroon Micarta (currently sold out) and multi-color G10 are $265, and antique micarta (also currently sold out) is $275. Price includes sheath. Shipping in US is $10, International shipping is actual shipping cost. :)
 
Will unbuffed olive drab micarta be available or only the selections listed above?
 
We are out of OD green micarta right now. I sent you an email with a pic. Couldn't figure out how to attach it here. The od green micarta is also $255.
 
We are working on getting the scales machine set up. The additional colors I have said we are out of should be ready early next week and Nathan is planning to make them available for Friday's sale.
 
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