'72 Puma 970 Game Warden, Wirkkala Puukko, Other Oldies from Grandpa

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A few months ago I received some cool old gear from my 90 year old grandpa. I had told him that the one thing of his I wanted was his old hunting rifle from the late 40's, so I could keep it safe in the family. I did get the gun, thankfully, and he gave me some other outdoor gear he had used for decades hunting and fishing, including a couple of knives. Mostly when people know I am into knives and find something and give it to me, it's crappy. They think "knife collector" means I want old rusty garage sale junk, when I actually want modern midtechs.

Anyways, I liked the knives he gave me out of nostalgia because they were grandpa's, whether they were cool or not. There were a couple of hard used fixed blades (I can provide pix if you're interested in those) and one large folder, which he said he had found years and years ago on the side of the road while walking the dog. To me it looked like perhaps a Buck knockoff - I wasn't familiar with the brand. Maybe it was just junk. But in doing a little research, it looks like it is pretty good! It's a Puma 970 Game Warden as noted above. I found a Puma decoder and punched in the stamping and it was made in the 3rd Quarter of 1972, so it's pretty old. Looks like these were about $30 new, which was pretty expensive in 1972. The model is still sold today and still looks very nicely made. The brass is tarnished on this one, and the blade is scratched to heck, but the wood is in good shape, and I bet it could be brought back to pretty nice condition. I was expecting to just put it in a drawer and have it as a keepsake, but realizing it is a worthy knife, I now want to try to clean it up and make it look nice and use it from time to time.

Do you guys have any other history of these Puma Game Warden knives, or comments on their build and quality, or suggestions on how best to clean it out, shine the brass and polish the blade up? I didn't find any threads specifically on this knife. Thanks for looking!

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I learned to hunt in the early 70's, and after trying some Case and Schrade knives that just didn't cut the mustard,
as it were, a friend and I discovered Puma knives. They took an incredible edge and held it very well. In 1978,
I got a 2-blade Puma Game Warden (#972, as I recall) that has been my sole hunting knife ever since. They were
much better than the Buck 110's that were often seen as a principal competitor. We used our Pumas to butcher deer
as well as field dress/skin deer, and they held up very well.

When new, the Pumas of that era sold in yellow and green plastic boxes that had a separate top and bottom. Even these boxes can bring good money on E-bay! The bottom half of the box had yellow foam with a cut-out in the shape of the knife to cradle it in shipping. The knives had a small sticker on the side of the blade pointing to a tiny pinprick which was where the blade had been Rockwell hardness-tested. You'll probably see the pinprick on the other side of your blade. They also came with a small, heavy cardboard, gold/black "guarantee" folder that was numbered. They had a lifetime guarantee.

The Game Warden I have has the same sharp-pointed clip point blade as yours, plus a long, straight blade with a skinner tip at the
end, that works very well for both skinning and boning/butchering. Each blade has its' own back spring and separate lock.
They also made a version that had a clip blade like yours and a cross-cut type saw that was very useful for ripping up the
sternum to open the deer up for gutting. I found that going to the side of the sternum bone allowed me to cut through the
cartilage that lets the rib bones flex, and a standard blade worked fine for that, plus was more useful unless you wanted to
cut small branches with the saw to make a blind.

Your grandfather's knife should be very serviceable. It would be good to have the bevel properly set and edge smoothed,
so that it will take a great edge when carefully sharpened. It appears that it might have been sharpened a bit roughly and
the bevel does not appear as even as they came from the factory. As to cleaning the brass, just rub it firmly with a soft piece of T-shirt and the
green verdigris should come off, leaving the light patina intact. If you want
to go further, you can use Brasso to take all the old patina off, bringing it to a bright polish, which is NOT their natural state. After you have cleaned the verdigris off the bolsters, I would then let it take on an even patina. I've never had to polish or maintain the finish of my 1978 Game Warden since I bought it -- I just kept it dry and clean.

You may wish to take Q-tips and a little Hoppes gun solvent or a very light oil and go inside the frame of the knife where
the blade is stored, and just wipe out any dirt, debris, dust, pocket lint, etc. that has accumulated there. Do the same with
the back of the blade where it pivots in the bolsters, with the knife about 1/2 open. You will likely find that there is a bit of
accumulated, compacted black crud pressed up against the locking surface of the blade, which will come right out. Once you
have cleaned this surface and the matching surface of the back spring where it locks, you'll probably be very pleased with how
positively and cleanly it locks open.

If you wish to polish the blade itself, beware any polish that would wear away the factory etching, steel type, etc. You might
try FLITZ polish on a soft cloth -- use sparingly, and go gently until you get a feel for how it might affect the etching on the blade.
The Flitz polish will remove the built-up finish crud and any possible light corrosion, and does a very nice job of restoring the clean
appearance of the steel. However, avoid the temptation to actually bring the blade to a bright polish, as that is not how they were
issued and it will look like a super-model with an ugly, third eye in the middle of its' forehead to anyone familiar with these knives.
Others who have different experience with cleaning the blade after such a long period of non-use, etc. may have used a product
that works better for this than Flitz, and if so, listen to their input.

Another way to clean the blade without risking the original polish is simply to wipe the blade with Hoppes #9 solvent (NOT Benchrest 9,
which contains ammonia!!), on a soft rag to let it cut through any built-up crud. Pay particular attention to the notches on the back of the
blade, where crud can build up. Scrub gently with your t-shirt material, and it will clean nicely. As I haven't had to clean a Puma in many
years, double-check to make sure the Hoppes doesn't do anything to reduce the blade etching. I don't "think" it will, but we're talking going
back decades in my increasingly less-precise memory.

Some people carry these knives in a sheath on a belt. That's fine, but beware awkward positions in the field that can put a lot of stress on the
stitching of the sheath. I used to carry mine in an old Buck 110 sheath from the 70's, and when it got hung up on something, the stitching holding the belt loop to the body ripped loose, and the knife could have been lost.

I developed a system that was less hassle, non-snag, and very secure. For many years, I have hunted in 1980's "BDU" shirts, courtesy of my Army service, as much of our weather here in hunting season is not very cold. These shirts have a pen pocket hidden inside the left upper pocket that fits the Game Warden perfectly. The pen pocket is then buttoned over by a flap to secure it. To further secure it against loss, I have a loop of florescent orange cord that goes through the hole in the bolster and I loop this around the pocket button before buttoning it. There's no way the knife can get lost.

The reason for the florescent orange cord is a lesson learned long ago; I was teaching a friend how to dress deer, and he set the knife down on the ground at some point (ALWAYS a mistake!!). We hauled the deer up a hillside, and I noticed the knife was missing. We went back to the approximate area where we'd worked on the deer, and it took quite a while to find the knife among the oak leaves. Now I put a loop of florescent orange cord on compasses, knives and other items that might get dropped in the woods. It makes them much easier to spot!!

I went through a bunch of different Puma fixed blades while I was stationed in Germany 1978-81, during the heyday of Puma's quality production.
I never found another blade profile that I thought worked nearly as well for actual hunting as the clip profile you have on your Game Warden.
You mention that Pumas are still being made. The family owned company was sold at a certain point (I forget), and the quality went down the
tubes. I purchased a couple of Puma pocket knives made after the new owners took over and the steel quality was hideous. The prices were lower
than the originals, but they weren't worth using. You'll notice that Pumas made in the era of original production (which yours is), command quite
a premium over the later knives, some of which aren't even made in Germany. Date codes help a lot in ensuring you get a good one.

One last thought -- certain fixed blades from the original Puma production bring very high prices. The original Game Wardens, at least in years past,
could be found at reasonable prices on Ebay from time to time, in excellent condition. That may or may not be the case, but they offer a tremendous
value for the price as users, relative to the older fixed-blade Pumas.

Finally, it's worth putting all this in context. When we were delighting in the comparatively insanely good performance of the Pumas back in the day,
super-steels were unknown. Custom knives were virtually unknown. Compared to garbage 420C SS steel in many common knives, the Pumas
really shone. Nowadays, there are boutique steels and heat treatments that can, if chosen wisely, leave your vintage Puma behind, performance
wise.... but that doesn't change the fact that you have an excellent knife, and it's also an heirloom. Just take good care of it, and never carry it
in a pocket unsecured/at risk for loss, and it will serve you well for many decades, and your heirs after that, if sharpened properly. I've never
wanted for a different knife than the Game Warden I've had for 42 years... it's been just fine!

Sorry to drone on, but you touched on one of the few topics I have extensive experience with, and I hope this will be helpful to you!
All the best to you, and I'm so glad you have your grandfather's rifle and gear. If you feel comfortable posting a pic of the rifle here, many
of us would be very happy to see it, plus hear a description of its' features and history, as well!
John
 
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1972 Puma Game Warden in what appears to be excellent condish...fantastic score from GrandDad even more so as he found it in the road...anyway hey maybe it is a Buck knockoff:p:rolleyes: just a really good one...in the same sense that a 1972 VW Kombivan is a knockoff of a Ford Transit...its a keeper.
Cheers
 
A friend in high school (rough time frame 1971 - 1973, he was a year ahead of me but was in some of the same shop classes when I was) carried a Puma lock back, I don't remember which model, it was the same size as my Buck 110.
I know his was "smoother" opening and closing, and much easier to sharpen than Buck's 440C. (I suspect the blade geometry had a lot to do with that. Prior to 2000, Buck "sharpened" to between a 50 and 60 degree inclusive angle. We were used to years of sharpening to a 20 degree inclusive angle on our other knives. A bit of muscle memory to over come there, or reprofile the edge to 20° inclusive using Arkansas stones.
(I reprofiled mine. It cut heater and radiator hoses, stripped electrical wire, scraped head gaskets, field dressed and peeled whitetail deer and other critters better with a 20 degree inclusive edge.)
I don't know for sure, but I think the Puma were sharpened to 20 or 30 degrees inclusive.
I'm pretty sure they used German 4116 KRUPP stainless steel.
(a good steel by the way, takes and holds an razor edge, is easy to sharpen, and has relatively high corrosion resistance. Cold Steel uses it on some of their knives, like the Finn Bear, Kudu, and Eland, among others.)

Puma has always been a top tier brand.

I think you may be mistaken on the price when new. If memory serves, a Puma lockback was closer to $50 in 1973, than $30.
$30 or there abouts would get you a Buck 110 or Schrade Old Timer 7OT. The Puma cost a lot more than a Buck or Old Timer.
(yes, the Old Timer 7OT was on the market in 1972/1973. I had one, (with carbon steel blade) and a 110 in 1971 or 1972,to after I graduated in 1974)

If you brasso the bolsters (as stated above, they were not shiny when new, sort of a "brushed" finish, that I personally preferred over the smudge/fingerprint magnets Buck and Schrade had/have) put some masking tape over the wood where it meets the bolsters. That way you don't stain the wood.
For the blade, I'd suggest mineral oil on a T-shirt rag, and rub vigorously to remove any crud.
Puma never put a mirror polish on their blades, except maybe on some of their slipjoints.
Personally, I wouldn't worry about scratches. They don't affect functionality, after-all.
 
The jury is still out on which actual steel designation was used for New Stainless Super Keen Cutting Steel.
In old Puma documentation I’ve only found that it was a high carbon as well as a high molybdenum stainless steel type.
I’ve long thought it to have been very well hardened 154CM or equivalent, but various members on a German knife forum were sure that it wasn’t.
 
Wow, thank you guys so much for the great replies!! It means a lot to me. I definitely will have to go back and reread them all again to soak up the details. I really appreciate the info on the history of Puma and this model, as well as your experiences with these knives when they were new. Those were really fun to read. :D I asked my dad and he remembers my grandpa coming home from walking the dog and telling them about the knife he found. He agreed it was probably the mid 1970's. I suspect it probably fell of the truck of a contractor and laid on the roadside until grandpa found it.

Also, thanks for the pointers on giving this one a little restoration. I was thinking of trying to accomplish a more high polish finish on the blade but with your comments as to the original finish, I now think that is not ideal. I may try to just even out the scratches a bit to give it a little more of a brushed or satin finish like it probably came with. I do have gun solvent and Flitz, so I should be able to clean out the frame and shine up the brass nicely. I won't keep it shiny, but I would like to let it patina evenly once it is clean. I use a Sharpmaker for sharpening, which is not going to be aggressive enough to re-bevel it properly. I may have to have someone with the right equipment do it at some point if I decide to. Interestingly, despite these knives from grandpa having been sharpened probably on a stone for many years, which has scuffed up the blades a lot, and led a rudimentary "convex" bevel, they are all very sharp and whittle paper into threads! It ain't exactly pretty but he sure got the job done when it came to keeping them sharp. Haha. I will keep you posted on any progress I make with cleaning this Puma up for service.

Since you liked the Idea of more old gear with stories, I will share the other pieces I got from him in addition to the Game Warden. :)

This old Herter's bowie he bought at the Milwaukee sport show when he was 15 (~ 1944) and was starting out hunting, for about $1.50. He used the knife for 75 years. And as worn as it looks, the thing still still shaves up a sheet of paper!! My dad made this replacement sheath for him years ago when the original wore out. I'm proud of this one, even if it is just a simple carbon steel knife, used hard.

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This one seems to be a more modern Fiskars bushcraft type knife, probably nothing too special, but it has a nice sharp thin blade that would probably do a fine job whittling. I might take this one with me this weekend camping alongside a couple of fancy modern pocketknives and a Hults Bruk axe.

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The last knife is this Finnish puukko style knife. I did not think anything of this one originally, but in doing some research I guess this one is actually quite collectible. It was made by Hackman cutlery in Finland, but designed by this famous artist/designer Tapio Wirkkala. Fans of his work like this knife for it's classic puukko style and his modern aesthetic, apparently. Mint examples fetch a good price. I think it was made in the early 60s, but I need to do more research. This one is pretty scratched up too, but still very sharp and I definitely want to do some work to bring back some luster. I'd like to polish the brass and perhaps the black nylon handle, and see if I can even out the scuffs on the blade. There are some neat details, like the spine of the knife blade is rounded off like on a Sebenza rather than square. Kinda a cool knife!

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And finally, the rifle itself. Grandpa is very healthy and in great shape for 90, living still in his own house, but looking to downsize how much stuff he has in the house. I specifically asked about his hunting rifle, as it's one thing I really wanted to keep. So we met for lunch and he gave it to me. It's a J. Stevens model 325, only made from 1947-1949. A bolt action 30-30. Not an expensive gun, but he bought it when he was about 18 in ~1947 after saving up money working at a bowling alley setting pins, and hunted with it for 60 years, putting a lot of meat on the table for his family. The fore-end had a crack in it when he bought it from a classified ad from a guy living nearby. The guy had a gunsmith put a different peep sight on it (still on it, he never scoped it!) and in fitting it, the stock developed a little crack when it was fired. But grandpa was learning cabinet making as a trade so he disassembled the gun and carefully repaired and refinished the stock. It has held up ever since. The gun case was made locally from a hide from a deer he shot. He has had the gun now about 72 years! I am very honored to be the new caretaker of the gun.

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Your grandfather had good, practical taste.

The Wirkkala puukko was marketed in the US by Brookstone in the 1970s. My sister gave me one for my birthday when I was maybe 15 and it's been my most used sheath knife, used on countless camping and backpacking trips, and cleaning and processing lots of game and fish. I'm not sure what it's made of but the steel has been very corrosion resistant and it takes a good edge. It's just been a great knife. Like you said, the value of clean examples is a bit shocking.

Wirkkala was sort of like the Charles and Ray Eames of Finland.
 
Tapio Wirkkala puukko are very good and VERY collectible. Check Ebay for prices and see what I mean.
 
Thank you guys so much for the additional info, I really appreciate it! I am getting more attached to these old knives by the day. I took the Fiskars bushcraft knife camping this past weekend and did some whittling with it. I discovered a stamp on the belt loop of it, which I assume my Grandpa punched himself. It said 1984. So I am thinking that is when he got it. (He dates everything he buys and all maintenance - he is pretty meticulous about logging when anything went into use and when it was repaired or serviced.)

Also, I did a little cleaning on the old Puma. I scrubbed out the inside of the channel, and the pivot, cleaned out all the gunk, rubbed the blade with some 0000 steel wool just to brighten it a little, lubed it, and polished the brass with some Flitz. It is looking very nice and man, she walks pretty fine right now too! Very pleased with this knife. :)

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I have a Puma 970 Game Warden made in April of 1972.I bought it in June when I graduated high school. I carried it almost daily for 6 years while in the Army.When in Germany 74-77 , I picked up a Buck 112 that I rotated with the Puma. As I recall the literature that came with the Puma said it was 440C stainless. I have always kept my kept my brass bolsters shiny as thats the way they came, not brushed.
 
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I love that there are so many long-timers here that had these Pumas as some of their first good knives back in the day. Very cool!

I also cleaned up the puukko a bit. I shined the nylon a little with some 0000 steel wool, and I polished the brass. Use marks on the blade will stay, but it looks pretty nice overall now.

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N nbp I've been the recipient of several of my Grandad’s guns, along with some knives. The oldest knife being a Western fixed blade he carried throughout WWII, then into the wilds of Alaska and Montana. I still use that knife today. You’ve got some great knives there and I wouldn’t hesitate to use them until you’re ready to pass them down someday.
 
Thanks 315! That is a great story of yours as well. Your grandpa sounds like one tough man! I hope you are/were able to spend some time with him and soak up some of that wisdom and experience. :)

It is fun getting brand new knives of course, but there is definitely something special about getting one that has history and stories woven into it, and has the sweat and blood of someone you love woven into the fibers of the tool. Definitely more than the sum of the parts. I have plenty of knives I bought new and can add my stories to, but also how cool to have blades where my stories and use mix in with that of decades of use before me. It's pretty awesome. I hope in 50 years someone is using my knives still, and maybe even these knives still! That Herter bowie is already 75 years old, and in 50 years the Puma and others will be over 100 years old. Imagine that.
 
The Tapio is a pretty cool knife. I bought mine from Brookstone around 1978 or 1979. I didn’t know anything about knives. I was buying quite a few Opinels and SAKs in those days, but I thought the Tapio was a nice bit of design. For a number of years I carried it in a motorcycle tank bag and used it in camp. It is still in pretty nice shape, but no longer mint. At some point I learnrd it had some collector value, so I retired it from touring.
 
I bought a Puma Deer Hunter model 965 back in 1976 from Kmart for $35.00. Still have it. Great knives.
 
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