A good pair of binoculars?

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I'm planning to go on a little expedition in the great outdoors, where a compact binocular might come in handy for spotting nature's beauty. The requirements are

compact- I do not want a binocular that weighs me down. I should be able to carry it on my belt without too much trouble
affordable- less than $100 (gremlins love to steal my stuff... :rolleyes: )
durable- I don't want it to break if I accidently drop it

any suggestions are helpful
 
Nikon 10x25 Travelite

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or for a bit more

10x26 Ultra light Predator from Steiner about $170

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* I dont think these are as cheap as they can be had, you may be able to get the Steiners a little less. Any way you slice it, its not bad for some good Euro glass.
 
LongDistance said:
compact- I do not want a binocular that weighs me down. I should be able to carry it on my belt without too much trouble
affordable- less than $100 (gremlins love to steal my stuff... :rolleyes: )
durable- I don't want it to break if I accidently drop it.

I like the Nikon Travelite V 8x25 compact binoculars.
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8x is the general usage magnification -
Higher magnifications are often very difficult to hold still,
and their angle of view as well as brightness are lower.

But you might want to read this survey - reviewing the reviewers -

Binoculars Review

However I really liked this article on Better View Desired -

A Pocket Full of Birds - Compact Binoculars

(bird watching is one of the most demanding usage for binoculars)

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Identify a couple of other characteristics that you want before buying. For birding or general nature observation you will probably want a medium field of view (300 feet at 1000 yards, give or take). If you are going to use them for observing butterflies, look for binos that have a very close focus (no more than about 8 feet) or you will find yourself backing up to focus.
 
Beaters for my truck, pair of 20 dollar Tascos. Compact, I forget what range they are, but great little binocs. Durable too, and I won't feel bad if I lose them!
 
Binoculars are a real case of "seeing is believing".

and until one actually looks through a pair of good binoculars - "optical quality" doesn't mean anything.

I used to buy cheapo binoculars - because afterall the specs say 8x32 or whatever - so they should be as good as other 8x32 - right?

Not only that shouldn't higher magnifications like 10x, 16x and even 20x be better to see more clearly?

NOTHING can be further from the truth -
Many years ago I happened to be reading "Consumer Reports" - and saw they had a binoculars test - read through it and was convinced enough to buy a slightly more expensive pair - the Nikon Venturer II 8x23 - and boy, was I amazed.... an almost similar/parallel experience that Stephen Ingaham describes in -
A Pocket Full of Birds - Compact Binoculars

Sometime in the early 1990's I had my friends with 10x, 12x and even 16x binoculars compare theirs with my Nikon 8x23 - they were simply amazed by the Nikon's clarity and brightness/contrast compared to their monsters - not only that we were able to show quite conclusively that one could actually see detail better with the lower magnifcation Nikons (test was to read a newspaper from a distance - the Nikons were able to read much further away when the higher magnifaction binos failed).

Now these Nikon Venturer II 8x23 have long been discontinued -
but the good news is with technology advances good compact binos have improved.....
however unfortunately cheapos are still cheapos -
but one can buy very good compact binoculars easily for under $100 or even under $50..... so why even think about buying cheapos when binoculars last a lifetime?

Reading that survey of reviewing the reviewers -
Binoculars Review

The suggested Konica Minolta 8x25 Water Resistant Sport Mini Binocular can be found for under $50.
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Even the highly praised Olympus Magellan 8x25 can be found for under $100........
QUOTE:
Compact binoculars are much easier to carry for long periods, since they often weigh half that of full-sized or mid-sized models. Since their objective lenses are smaller in diameter (20mm to 25mm), compact models allow less light to enter the barrels, making for a somewhat dimmer view. For outside daytime use, compacts are a good, lightweight choice, but they won't do as well in twilight or other low-light situations. Outside Magazine's editors call the Olympus Magellan 8x25 (*est. $125) "pretty sweet for tiny binos." Sharpness, clarity and the ability to hold their own in low light make these a 2004 "Killer Buy." A focusing ring positioned a bit far forward was the only negative with these compacts.

The Olympus Magellan weighs just 12 ounces, the lightest of any model in our chart. Although field of view is 315 feet, the Magellan's nearest focal distance is 30 feet, so they are not the best choice for closer observations, such as insects and butterflies.
UNQUOTE

Note the take that the Olympus Magellan 8x25 close focus is 30ft may be wrong - check Olympus's own specs which says 3m (=~10ft) - but please confirm this for yourself before any purchase.
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The best way of seeing is compare binoculars of reputed quality side-by-side -
then decide for yourself.

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I want long eye relief. Any of these long eye relief? Love to use bino's without removing glasses.


Paul
 
just for fun I decided to compare "test" the compact binoculars I have -

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"quality"
Nikon Venturer II 8x23 compact
Minolta UCII 6x16 ultra compact

"cheapo"
Sakar "Ruby lens" 8x21
Simmons "8-Point" 10x25

I used a Patterson optical test target - illuminated with a standard 60watt "soft-white" in a desk lamp shade (flared-cone white internal like a reflector) set 3feet away.
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I noted the distance when I could just make out the finest lines clearly on the black/white target panel (that usually meant the red and green panels were also resolved - I had difficulties resolving the blue panel as well).

These were the distances for resolving the test target -

Nikon 19ft 4"
Minolta 13ft 9"
Simmons 18ft 6"
Sakar 17ft 4"

The Nikon Venturer II are 8x - so corrections have to be made for different magnifications
Minolta 6x correction factor = 8/6x
Simmons 10x correction factor = 8/10x

So "normalized" corrected distances as if they were all equivalent 8x magnification -
Nikon 8x23 = 19ft 4"
Minolta 6x16 = normalized 18ft 4"
Simmons 10x25 = normalized 14ft 10"
Sakar 8x21 = 17ft 4"

If we use the Nikon as 100% resolution then
Minolta 6x16 = 95%
Simmons = 77%
Sakar = 90%

Th Sakar (makers of Sakar camera lenses) "Ruby lens" 8x21 seems to fair very well for a pair of $20 binoculars - until one looks through them - the image is very blue-green tinted - horribly so in fact - this due I think mainly to the fancy-shamsy "Ruby coated" lenses -
Objectives:
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since the "Ruby lenses" reflect red/orange part of the spectrum - the complementary (opposite) color left is cyan - which is blue-green hence the strong UNacceptable color cast.

In isolation one may be able to tolerate the cast as the brain compensates for it - but it is immediately noticable on first viewing through the binoculars - and absolutely UNacceptable when compared side-by-side with more quality binoculars.

The Simmons has a very dim looking image which lacks real crispness. In comparison the Nikon's image almost jump at you looking really 3-D.

The Minolta does really well for such ultra compacts - nomally smaller objectives mean less resolution - in theory the Minoltas should resolve in the order of 16/23x = 70% that of the Nikon - the fact it managed 95% is a good indication. Compared to the Nikon the Minolta's image has less snap and there is a slight yellow cast/tint - but it is amazingly small - and for its size does really surprisingly well........

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UnknownVT said:
According to the specs at the respective manuafcturers' sites which I just looked up -
(the Olympus Magellan spec was linked above) -
the eye-reliefs are:

Olympus Magellan 8x25 = 18mm
Konica-Minolta 8x25 = 15mm
Nikon Travelite V 8x25 = 14mm

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Thanks, Now Ill go try and find a pair of the olympus to try. I've been trying to find a true long eye relief where I can use my glasses. Some say they are but don't work with glasses.


Paul
 
Anyone still looking for a pair of Compact Binoculars might want to check out the (Konica) Minolta 8x25 Compact II - at Wolf/Ritz Cameras.

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I checked out a pair against my old Nikon Venturer II compact 8x23 - and these Minolta Compact II were as good - they might even be a shade crisper - which is amazing -

Especially considering the price at the local Wolf Camera was about $32 (I think it may be on clearance - as the lowest price using Froogle.com was closer to $41)

Go check out the actual individual pair you intend to purchase -
prefereably against a known quality standard,
don't just rely on hearsay - like this post -
I may have been lucky in the one single sample I tried.

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thirteenth asked about Barska binocs.

I have a pair of their 8x32 "Atlantic" model. I bought them in a deal from Campmor I think they were $39 including shipping. They replaced a cheap pair of tasco porro prisms that were stolen from my car. Those tasco's were about 15 years old and cost $35 at the time, so I thought this was a pretty good deal...

What I like about them...

Rugged, waterproof, bright, decent specs for exit pupil (4.0mm) for a "compact", FOV also good at 375ft/1000yards, eye relief excellent at a whopping 18mm. These have the new slide-up eye cups, and though I'm perfectly happy with the old fashioned kind, I like these very much. These have adequate brightness for my general-purpose needs, are crystal clear optically (from what I can compare with... I've used some better binocs costing 10x the price, but none in the $500+ range). All in all an "A" grade, especially at the price...

What I don't like....

Weight... Wow... Those tasco's were like 9 or 10 oz I could easily hold them with one hand... These are almost 19 oz... Way to heavy to carry backpacking in my opinion...

The only other thing is that the compensation recticle for the right eye (they are center focus) is very very stiff. Difficult to adjust properly while holding the binocs with the left hand. Once you manage to adjust it though they're fine and don't move. If you are the only user, it's not too bad.

Again, I like these a lot. Much nicer than the tasco except for the damned weight!
 
Thanks.

I have a Barska X-Trail and I like it very much. For only $30 I got a great deal IMO, though I realize for just a little more I could get Bushnells on sale as well.
 
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