A2/D2 Damascus Steel

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I have been wondering for a while if these 2 steel could be reliably welded to each other and have a good contrast. d2 does have a lot more chromium then a2 so i was thinking it would etch lighter then a2. but i have not herd of any one doing Damascus out of these steels so i thought i would ask and see.
 
Their hardening ranges slightly overlap at ~1800°F, so it might work out. They both etch dark with FeCl, though, soI am not sure how the contrast would work out.

I have been considering trying to make San Mai with HiC steel damascus outside a core of A2. I will try a small piece first to se how it all works out. The A2 hardens ~300°F higher than the HiC steels, though so I have my doubts. One of these days....
 
D2 is kind of a complex steel. Pure theory from a nitwit machinist that knows just enough about metallurgy to be dangerous:

After a little while at welding heat, the A2 won't be A2 anymore, and the D2 won't be D2 anymore. At welding heat, the carbides will be dissolved and the carbon will quickly migrate from the D2 to the A2 until they both average about 1.25% (if my memory is serving me correct). You will then have carbon lean D2 that will require an even higher austenitizing temp to get enough free carbon in solution due to all the alloying (think HSS), and carbon rich A2 that might behave strangely (perhaps not properly air harden - form pearlite?). In that state, most all the carbon in the D2 not tied up in martensite will be attached to vanadium - so there will be a lot of free chrome so I'd guess it would etch less than normal D2 and have good contrast?

I don't know how you would go about spheroidizing this mix - but that, I think, would help redistribute the carbon how it ought to be. The extra alloying in the D2 would attract more carbon, and done right I think you'd be in good shape. The carbon will move freely between the two steels - but the alloying will not, and the alloying will move that carbon in different directions, depending upon the temperature.

Again, this is just speculation. Perhaps Mete will chime in.
 
Nathan, maybe chuck a layer of pure nickel in between?

Hey Sam,

That would stop any carbon migration. But then you'd have soft nickel in your blade. I know, folks do it all the time...
 
Hey Sam,

That would stop any carbon migration. But then you'd have soft nickel in your blade. I know, folks do it all the time...

throw in a real thin strip of L6 or 15n20
 
but then the L6/15n20 wouldn't heat treat correctly, right? (I guess that is a moot point compared to using nickel (edit: it would be as contrasted as nickel so it isnt a moot point there))
 
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I wouldn't want to bring either of those two steels to a welding heat, much less try to stick em together...
 
Hey Sam,

That would stop any carbon migration. But then you'd have soft nickel in your blade. I know, folks do it all the time...

San mai wouldn't be much of a problem, but then why the heck make it anyway they are both sort of stainlesses, I see no benefit.

I always wondered about sticking Mild steel to the sides of A2.....
 
I wouldn't want to bring either of those two steels to a welding heat, much less try to stick em together...

I was planning to try layering A2 between damascus made from O1 and 1095, so there would be no Carbon migration problem. Since the core would be A2, there shouldn't be a problem with overheating the damascus.
 
I was planning to try layering A2 between damascus made from O1 and 1095, so there would be no Carbon migration problem. Since the core would be A2, there shouldn't be a problem with overheating the damascus.

I might have some reservations mixing a very fast quench steel like 1095 with other much slower quench steels like that.
 
I was planning to try layering A2 between damascus made from O1 and 1095, so there would be no Carbon migration problem. Since the core would be A2, there shouldn't be a problem with overheating the damascus.

The forge welding will be rough with A2 and like Nathan pointed to, the heat treating for A2 is all wrong for 01, 1095. Actually 01 and 1095 heat treat so different, they really should not be together in the same blade.
 
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