Advantage of 4 flute or 2 flute endmill?

DanGraves

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I am about to buy some endmills and what are the advantage of a 4 flute over 2 flute or vice versa and what mill speed. I will be using 1/8th inch, 14 inch, 5/16 and 3/8. The 1/8 inch I use for milling slots in guards and I run high speed and use 4 flute. I also see endmills that are for roughing? Faster cut but rougher? Please correct me if I am wrong or maybe some tips. Thanks.
 
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Well short answer is, 4 flute better for tougher materials faster feeds. 2 flute I use for gummy materials and aluminum and requires slower feeds. As far as rpms are concerned, I use the 1/4 inch HSS cutter in mild steel is 1600 rpm standard and extrapolate from there ie 1/8th is 3200, 3/8 1200. This is a starting point and I normally reduce these by about 25% then move up from there. If you are using carbides then you can start by doubling the rpm. Tool steels and SS require about 1/2 the rpm as a starting point and you can work from there. 2 things you must keep in mind, rigidity is paramount and use a good coolant. Maybe Nathan will chime in here and fill in any gaps. It works out to be a feel thing. Once you find the sweet spot for your particular set-up you will know it. If you are breaking endmills stop and regroup. Cut your rpms first. No blue chips when using HSS. I could go on and on but you have the basics.

Good luck

Chuck
 
Thanks chuck. Will store this info. Makes sense about the speed and I love the tip on chip color. That will help key in of speeds. Would brass, nickels silver be a gummy material?
 
Let me start off by saying that Chuck gave a better explanation than I could have and there isn't a whole lot to add to that. The information I can give you is in the form that I use it (surface feet per minute, and feed per tooth) and is frequently not useful to folks manually turning cranks and going by feel. I can't go by feel, I go by numbers. I make adjustments based on appearance, sound and load meters. Well, occasionally by feel, if you count feeling the floor shake with your feet.

One small correction to Chuck, if you're breaking cutter, probably don't reduce RPM. Breaking cutters is frequently caused by too much chip load for conditions, which would require increasing RPM if conditions allow. Generaly, breaking cutters means the force required to feed it is higher than the strength of the cutter. A more shallow depth of cut is usually the answer. Feed and RPM are tied together, unless you're wanting to change your chip load, when you change one you change the other.

You might be using HSS cutters, they're more forgiving. My experience is with carbide. A middle of the road number for carbide in steel is 150 SFM. You can go up or down from there depending on what you're cutting. Very seldom do I go over 300 or under 50 in steel. HSS would be half these numbers. And because chiploads remain the same, HSS is therefore fed at half the feed, which is one reason why I don't use it.

A good middle of the road chip load of a 1/2 cutter range from .001 to .004 per tooth. Larger cutters use higher chip loads, smaller cutter use smaller chip loads.

An interesting effect of this is small cutters are fed at the same feed as large cutters. I might be running a 1/2" coated cutter in CPM 154 at 1200 RPM (157 SFM) 10 IPM (about .002 per tooth, on a 4flt) .100" DOC. I would then run a 1/4" cutter at 2400 RPM to achieve 157 SFM, and a .001 chip load would again give me 10 IPM, and .050" DOC. So, the difference between running a 1/2" cutter and a 1/4" cutter are RPM, and depth of cut.

To answer the question between 4 flt and 2 flt: I always try to run 4 flt because, all else being equal you can feed the four flute twice as fast and you can cut twice as much material before it dulls. There are exceptions. Some materials like aluminum and plastic aren't real picky about chip loads, and are real picky about recutting chips, so I'll frequently use a 3 flt on aluminum and plastic for better chip removal. Slotting in any material deeper than about 1X the cutter diameter you start re cutting chips, which leads to different problems in different materials. And plunging, it is much better to plunge with a 2 flt.

Some of the chip clearance issues of extra flutes can be worked around with cutter design and flute geometry and also high pressure coolant. A modern three flute cutter and a 3/4 HP coolant pump can slot and feed in aluminum and plastic at insane rates.

Short answer: use 4 flt where you can, keep 2 flt around for when trouble starts.

...hope this helps more than it confuses...
 
Thanks Nathan. I think this clears up some of the confusion I had on 2 fl. and 4 fl. cutters. I have saved this in a file I have on tips and will refer to it on a regulat basis and it will become more clear. Again, thanks so much for taking the time to help.
 
Nathan, could you add some notes for milling titanium and it's alloys?

Thanks
 
Nathan, could you add some notes for milling titanium and it's alloys?

Thanks

Sure, though I'm not a titanium expert.

Three things to consider when milling titanium. It requires twice as much force to cut than steel, it is half as stiff as steel, and it conducts heat half as quickly. So, it tends to move instead of cut, chatter, and burn up cutters. A common mistake people make is trying to take light slow cuts because it is a difficult material. You do need light depth of cut and low SFM, but you actually need a relatively high feed per tooth, or otherwise it tends to rub. To some extent stainless steel is the same way.

Some common values for milling 6-4 AL-V might be: 1/2" carbide endmill turning 600 RPM (80 SFM), 10 IPM (.004 per tooth) .050 DOC.

There are cutting fluids designed for titanium. One that I have experience with that I particularly like is Trim MicroSol 585 XT.

Endmills designed for difficult steel applications don't work well in titanium. In fact, endmills designed for machining titanium look a lot like cutters designed for aluminum.

Perhaps a machinist with more Ti experience could chime in here.
 
I find that using the inexpensive carbide from Enco, I actually like about 150 SFM, and .002" chipload on 6-4, which I do machine a lot of.

Basically I end up with the same IPM as Nathan, but a finer finish.

I only have a mist coolant setup too.

I prefer cutting Ti than some of the stainless steels, and end up with longer tool life.
 
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