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Advice on full-size 9mm pistols please

Discussion in 'Gadgets & Gear' started by MVF, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. mete

    mete Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    The BHP was at one time the sidearm of most NATO countries . A big improvement was when the pistol was made for the 40S&W cartridge , when the steel and how it was made was improved .
    I had accurized my older one and with other mods it was a very fine piece. Sad day when I sold it to get a then new HK P7.
  2. bflying

    bflying Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 4, 2014
  3. glockman99

    glockman99 Super Moderator Super Mod

    Jun 12, 2000
    Don't be a poser...Get yourself a Glock 21 in .45...(But if you kan't handle the size & recoil of a .45, get a Glock 17...).

  4. leghog


    Aug 10, 2013
    Yeah the issue M1911A1s may well be more reliable while remaining plenty accurate for self-defense.

    Yeah, that's what I said --- pre-WW2 design.

    My Hi-Power was manufactured well after WW2 (my point was the design pre-dates WW2 and I'll recommend designs pre-dating WW2 as well as I will designs that pre-date WW1). I'd have no problem whatsoever relying on my Hi-Power for self defense (if I were inclined to carry 9mm for self defense, which I am not).

    The only WW2 gun I recommended was the Radom. And I whole heartedly stand by that recommendation.

    Though I didn't recommend an issue M1911A1, for years I carried a modified issued M1911A1. My choice, and I'd have no problem giving it to my own son now for self defense if he wanted it for that.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2016
  5. MVF

    MVF Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2005
    The Wilson is a truly great gun (IMO). It helped me get to where I could put all 8 rounds through one (big) hole. Smooth action, great trigger, etc. It's mostly that great trigger that's making me sell it. I can't afford to shoot it as much as I used to (and I miss that), so I'm not as well practiced as I would wish for a trigger like that. Last time I took it to the range, I had it go off before I meant for it to- not quite an AD, but I wasn't all the way settled yet either.

    Because of that, I can't feel comfortable using this as a defensive weapon anymore- although if you can afford to train with it, I can't think of many better. I expect a full-size 9mm with a stock trigger to be easy and cheap to train with, and enough fun to shoot that I might even think about some competition shooting. If I need extra horsepower, I've got a 4" .357. The fact that I'm selling it to my brother helps too.
  6. DocJD


    Jan 29, 2016
    GLOCK !!! I had two gen 1 19's for many years . They flawlessly functioned thru cases of the cheapest surplus ammo with little or no maintenance . Only problem I ever had was at the very first with the limp wrist thing when shooting weak side , one hand, unsupported .

    I believe the newer Glocks are probably even better and in great variety . Maybe not as sexy as some others - but there's none better !
  7. Catherine_Montana


    Sep 10, 2014

  8. 45Shooter

    45Shooter Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Try a Sig P320 - you won't regret it.
  9. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Several times I've had it in my mind that "I just gotta get me one of THOSE!"

    Then went to the range and rented one. Box or two of rounds later and nope.... I don't gotta have one.

    Back when I was in the Navy, I needed a S&W 4506. Quick trip to the range fixed that right quick.

    Matter of fact, MVF, that was when I was at Point Mugu NAS.... the range was in either Oxnard or Ventura... wonder if it's still there.

    Fishface, I've found Wade's Eastside Guns to be a good range. Lots of choices, and I didn't find the prices to be debilitating like some places.

    Even if you don't find the one you want right off the bat, it sure makes for an enjoyable afternoon. :)
  10. Wheeler80

    Wheeler80 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 12, 2013
    Since you said Glock's don't fit your hand I would have to recommend the HK VP9, Sig P320, or Walter PPQ. All three have pretty nice triggers, are very accurate, and are extremely soft shooting. Also the M&P full size is nice but you need to put an Apex in it because the stock trigger is horrible.
  11. MVF

    MVF Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2005
    Would you believe none of those pistols is available in the wonderful state of California? Gotta love it
  12. mqqn

    mqqn Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 12, 2009
    My VP9 came with California legal magazines (had to buy "good ones" after the fact)-

    Why can't you have a VP9 in California, or are they just not readily available at gun stores?

    I do feel for you living in such a restrictive state.


  13. Wardo46


    Jun 26, 2015
    Don't overlook the S&W M&P series pistols.

    I recently went through the same decision-making process. Glocks are great, reliable pistols but the ergonomics just don't work with my large hand (every Glock I've ever handled points high and I have to force the muzzle down.)

    Other options for me were the Springfield Armory XD Mod .2 and the S&W M&P 9c. I chose the 9c because it just feels right in my hand and points naturally. I liked the XD, too, but it just didn't feel as good in my hand. Other reasons for choosing the 9c were that the slide and barrel are stainless and you can get it with or without a thumb safety. They have nice 3-dot sights, too.

    If you want something thinner and lighter, the M&P Shield is very well regarded but the trade-off is a single-stack magazine with less capacity. Very nice gun, though, and more concealable than the ones with double stack mags.

    Last edited: Dec 6, 2016
  14. slim4511


    Dec 8, 2014
    Big fan of the Sig P228 myself.
  15. pyro777


    Sep 15, 2008
    CZ 75B or BD model depending on if you want the safety or decocking lever. Its a solid built gun, holds well with great ergo, and has a factory trigger better than most upgraded and more expensive pistols (glocks). They can be had fairly inexpensive new or used.
  16. wtlj


    Jun 30, 2014
    I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my CZ75B SAO. She gets more range trips than any of my others.

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  17. Charlie_K


    Jul 16, 2012
    Maybe I've simply allowed myself to lose focus based on the currently limited market in my area, and being overwhelmed by the number of accessories available for the Glock. How does it compare to the S&W M&P, and the Springfield XD and XDM? What are some of the advantages and disadvantages between the three of them?
  18. SevenOfNine


    Nov 20, 2016

    in 2015 I believe it was, CA banned purchase of most "single shot pistols" along with pretty much every other reasonable 2nd amendment freedom possible since then.

    I'm not expert on CA gun law specifics but from what I've heard there was an SSE prior to 2015 - single shot exemption. However, Gov. Brown in his infinite wisdom shut it down in 2015 to fully kill it by deeming it and all like it as "unsafe handguns." Along with this was another paragraph in the legislation which arbitrarily lumped a bunch of double action handguns into the "unsafe" category thus banning them.

    Much like the hell-hole state of NY but even our freedom-hating laws are not quite as horrid as CA's

    On a brighter note, I grew to like the VP9 this year but I find the magazine ejection slightly awkward to reach; I have smaller fingers I can just barely toggle the release paddle on the trigger guard when I'm holding it. Some of my students have the same issue as well. I prefer Glock 17 or Springfield XD personally for the long run but that's my humble opinion.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2016
  19. mqqn

    mqqn Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 12, 2009
    Thanks for the info - scary....

    I concur on the mag release on the H&K - I don't find that type of release to be an improvement over the standard 1911 position, and I like the ambi-button on the XDs. Good point that I did not think to mention....


  20. SevenOfNine


    Nov 20, 2016
    No problem - it really is scary - they basically have a list now of "Certified Safe" handguns that can be sold in the state of CA and that's pretty much it. Anything not on their silly arbitrary list is deemed illegal and "unsafe." The only way to get some not on the list would be to modify them into shells of their former selves like the mag-restrictions in NY. They do a lot of anti-gun stuff here. I constantly have to monitor what laws and bills are on the table. It's the worst place for someone like me lol

    And I have the joy of being a lefty, so mag release is tricky for me depending on what model I'm using that's one of many things that drew me to the XD series
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2016

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