ALICE Pack!

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Hello everyone,

So, I picked up this milsurp ALICE pack from a guy down in Gilbert, AZ for $30--pretty standard except for the kidney pad not having a waist belt attached (he is sending me a new pad with belt attached, though). This is the pack, as worn, completely empty and compressed:

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Well, it's nice and all, but there were some changes to be made--first of all, those stupid steel strap adjusters for the main pouch needed to be replaced with something easy to open. I purchased some aluminum side-release buckles with a matte black finish, cut a slot in the bar of the female component with a Dremel, cut off the strap adjusters, and slipped the buckles on:

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I also added an antiqued leather nameplate made of ~8oz horsehide and hand-stitched with hemp thread--the stitching is all inside the map pouch in the flap so it won't rub against anything in the pack and wear or fray.

This is the pack filled with the basics we need for hiking or bugging out minus spare clothes, water (there is a stainless steel water bottle, though), and non-perishable food (aside from snack bars and Mainstay emergency rations). Plenty of room left for all that, though, plus I can strap a sleeping bag to the bottom or top of the pack, no problem, even if I fill the main pouch.

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Much better! I decided I wanted to add an emergency whistle, though, as well as make a sternum strap with another aluminum side-release buckle and some 1" OD webbing to keep the shoulder straps in place a bit better, so it went from this:

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To this:

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The sternum strap is actually secured to the buckle with super glue and then melted so the fibers fused together--it's just as secure as the stitching on the rest of the pack straps (I know because I had to remove stitching on the main pouch straps to feed them through the adjustable male components of the buckles). All-in-all I don't think I did too bad, but obviously I need to put more stuff in it :). What do you guys think?
 
GREAT start!

For a lot of us older guys ALICE was our first woods pack.

Good on putting fastex buckles on the main straps.

Might want to look for some LCII shoulder straps (they are longer, curved, and have a sternum strap, or you can go to Tactical Tailor and get a set of their Super Straps and one of their Super Belts. They're pricey (which is why I recommend finding a set of LCII shoulder straps -- it's also easy to put the much more padded MOLLE waist belt on the ALICE frame -- both can be picked up on the bay for cheap), but they make the pack ride much better.

I like to carry canteens on the side loops of the pack -- a 1 Qt with cup and stove on the top ones, a 2 qt on one of the bottom loops, and GI E-tool on the other.

BTW, a tip on pouches: MOLLE pouches work better on ALICE gear than even ALICE pouches do, and since Woodland camo has been phased out, Woodland MOLLE pouches can usually be found cheaper than ALICE pouches.
 
Nice! I was looking at ALICE packs, but settled on a Condor Tactical bag (which I just got earlier this week). Huge thing, but "cheaper" quality; The guys on another forum ranted and raved about it but I'll have to see how well it holds up.

I like the mods you've done! Inexpensive and easy, really improves the pack. :thumbup: I had never heard of aluminum side releases before...

Went to my local surplus store not long ago on a boring day off from work to check it out, and I saw some canteens w/ cup and ALICE packs that caught my eye... Almost bought them if they weren't way overpriced! :confused: I've never seen an ALICE pack for over 70 in my short time looking at them online... Maybe I'm wrong but that seems expensive.
 
That brings back lots of memories. I've still got a frameless medium in the basement, need to update it and try it out. Did at least 100 miles+ with mine, not the most comfortable the way we loaded them...

GregB
 
Where'd the aluminum buckles come from? Wouldn't mind having a few of those. I used the plastic ITW Nexus stuff from Supply Captain.
 
Where'd the aluminum buckles come from? Wouldn't mind having a few of those. I used the plastic ITW Nexus stuff from Supply Captain.

Strapworks.com in their Metal Hardware section. They are actually really nice--they feel tough and heavy duty, but they aren't too terribly bulky or heavy
 
I have a couple used small sized alice packs and a large sized one that is my main BOB right now. They are a good value. There are more comfortable packs out there but for the money and accessories that are available you cant beat it.
 
I use ALICE packs exclusively for extended trips. The mods for them are endless.

Here are some pics of a few of mine...

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I picked one up about two weeks ago for 20 bucks, in as good condition as yours, the guy has more. 30 is still a deal though... the only crappy part is breaking in that aluminum frame...
 
I have a couple used small sized alice packs

I've never seen a Small ALICE pack. Just M and L ones.
When I ask people if they are canvas or nylon, they never answer.
When I ask where they got them, they never answer.
 
Rick: I did the same thing with an old foam sleeping I had laying around. It helps when you have a full load and it keeps the frame from digging in your back. I also like the fact that you replaced the kidney pad with an updated one too.
With this old reliable pack the mods are endless.
Oh and I almost forgot you might want to add some kind of thick andlarger contractor leaf bag to your list. It will keep a lot of stuff dry when it rains heavy or brief accidental dunk in water.
 
Rick: I did the same thing with an old foam sleeping I had laying around. It helps when you have a full load and it keeps the frame from digging in your back. I also like the fact that you replaced the kidney pad with an updated one too.
With this old reliable pack the mods are endless.
Oh and I almost forgot you might want to add some kind of thick andlarger contractor leaf bag to your list. It will keep a lot of stuff dry when it rains heavy or brief accidental dunk in water.

There are combat loads that actually float... if you seal everything in big ziploc bags (can be a pain in the ass sometimes as far as access goes, but does help with organization and keeping things clean) it'll keep everything dry inside.
 
I hear ya. I keep my underwear and socks in separate ziplock bags.
Another thing is that the contractor bag can be use for other things too. Shelter, poncho, etc. Redundancy is a good thing. Lol
 
If you guys are using ziplocks, just remember... leave some air in the bag. If you squeeze all the air out, you've just made a water vacuum. Plus it reduces buoyancy. I was showing a couple friends my ziplocked "back up" thermals and how smart I was n stuff... I tossed them into the water and they sunk like stones. The water was cold as ice and when I got them out they were drenched because the water was syphoning in at the corners.
 
Well, as it stands I have regular garbage bags, ponchos, and a 6'x8' tarp to cover...well, covering things. I'll be sure to properly ziplock the socks and underwear, as well as the toilet paper and feminine hygiene products for my fiancee, because I'm considerate like that.

Thanks for all of the comments and tips, everyone, and I love the mods, Rick! I like the padded area for the shoulder blades, but I don't think I'd do the rest--the rest of the frame doesn't touch me as it is, so I think with padding the top portion it would keep it far enough that I don't really need to worry about that. Good idea with the (what I assume are) pieces of inner tube, too!

Aside from stealing Rick's padding idea (and maybe the inner tube thing), I don't have too much else in mind. Once I get the waist belt I'll see if I want to do anything with that, but otherwise I'm really pretty happy. I'm going to add a horizontal compression strap with some 2" black webbing and a black plastic side-release buckle I already have, just to keep everything from flopping side-to-side. I am throwing around the idea of dying it Hippie-flage style (tie-dye with browns/greens :P) because I like the pine-needle break-up you get from it, and we hike up in areas with lots of pine, so if I ever needed to ditch the pack and hide it I could (or hide with it if I was similarly camouflaged). Also because I'm a dork. Anyone have any ideas for keeping the thing from falling over? I don't want to add a shelf to it, but I'm thinking of some sort of a kickstand deal, haha.

@bltjr1951: They are nylon, or something like it--they are certainly not a natural fiber canvas. I said where I got mine and would be happy to give you the contact info, but PayetteRucker's contact is $10 cheaper.

@RustyFenrir: I've seen them at online surplus stores for about that much, and the large ones as high as $90. If they can get someone to pay it, they can charge it.
 
Maybe I should list my ALICE mods with the reasoning behind them.

Foam rubber floor pad wedged in the back of the frame - Not so much for back padding as it is for kneeling and sitting on. It also works great as a kidney warmer on cold nights in the shelter.

Inner tube lengths on shoulder straps - For making ranger bands, firestarting, lashing, traps/weapons, etc. It's just a really convenient place to carry them.

Paracord wrap on frame - It's paracord, man... nuff said

Braided paracord carry handle on top of frame - Another option for carrying and hanging the ALICE pack. Plus... hey.... PARACORD, man.... love the stuff.

Padded hip belt - I only strap this mod on when I know I'll be carrying quite a bit or trekking long distances.

Shoulder strap upgrade from Tactical Tailor - "Super Straps" are super comfy.

Custom made US Lightweight Jungle Ruck Frame - This baby is my pride and joy. completely welded... stronger than the original issued ruck frames.

Extra utility straps - I keep 2 utility cinch straps tied on to the frame. They come in hand for tying down gear or wen using the frame alone as a packboard.

Duct tape - Dude, it's "duct tape"! I keep it wrapped around part of my frame.


Rick
 
@bltjr1951: They are nylon, or something like it--they are certainly not a natural fiber canvas. I said where I got mine and would be happy to give you the contact info, but PayetteRucker's contact is $10 cheaper.

Umm.. I was quoting dberry.

But keep up your good work. I bought my mods from USCAV for about $10.
The latest posts on other sites is to stay away from alice packs, they look too military.
Had my first alice pack back in 80s, my newest one is woodland camo. Have shelves on them too.
Got straps and bungie cords to use for cargo pack.
 
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