Angle Grinder tips for a beginner untill i get my belt grinder

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Hello,

I started making knifes and for now my budget is VERY limited, so I must go with an angle grinder. I know that these things are dangerous. So, are there some good vids out there showing the work of an angle grinder (stock removal)? I also know that grinding wheels are dangerous, so can I better use a flap wheel whit a rough grit? Or does it remove metal to slow? Flap wheels dont look dangerous to me. Also whats the deal with cuting the blade whit a cutoof disk? I read somewhere that you can only cut straight lines with it.
TY
DST
 
As a beginner take what I say with a grain of salt.

I've been clamping the handle in a drill vice or to a bench and using the angle grinder to rough grind it and haven't run in to any problems. I just make sure that it is very secure and won't move. IMO you won't be able to make a finishable knife with just an angle grinder, not as a beginner at least, you'll still need at least a cheepy belt sander or alot of hand filing to clean it up. Start by making your plunge lines with a file first. Make sure to wear eye and ear protection. I also wear a respirator after hearing some of the horror stories.
 
I have made about ten knives with just a angle grinder; cutout with a cutoff wheel and then ground with a 36 grit 4" sanding disk.
I think nine out of l6 and my most recent was a six inch bowie out of 1095
It can be done, although I have about five or six scars from the learning process.
 
I rarely use an angle grinder on knives, but I have many many hours of time using angle grinders for work. Go get your self a full face shield and safety glasses. Be aware of the path of sparks, no rags or flamable liquids near by. When using cutoff disks DO NOT try to cut curves or use the flat for grinding, they will explode on you. I have a friend who right now is fighting to keep from loosing his eye from this very thing. He's an okie who doesn't think he needs saftey gear, and now he knows he's wrong. Ear plugs or muffs are nice as it keeps the dust out. A flap wheel does do a nice job at removing material and is somewhat safer, but never get too comfortable with an angle grinder. They are handy tools but can be very dangerous.


Good luck and post up some knives when you get 'em going!


-Xander
 
I started out profiling with an angle grinder. As suggested by Xander, a full face shield is a must! A welding apron is handy as well. Discs can and do explode, so do not torque then or make them bind. Also, watch for kick-back or kick-forward. Always keep a secure hold on the machine. Fire is a real risk. People have set their shops and themselves (clothing) on fire when not watching where the sparks are being thrown. The sparks make a mess on the floor as well. Ear muffs are good not only for keeping dust out of your ears, but also protecting your hearing. These things can be awfully loud.

When starting with bar stock, a cutoff wheel can be used carefully to remove excess steel to get closer to a knife shape. Then the shape is refined with a grinding disc or flap wheel.

The angle grinder can work to get you a profile fairly quickly compared to hand sawing and filing. However, they're not ideal for bevels. I would suggest grinding the profile and then moving on to hand files for the bevel.
 
Right. Do not try curved lines. However, you can still make "pie-slice" cuts to remove chunks of steel from an inside curve and then refine the shape with the grinding wheel.

--nathan
 
Is a flap disk a safe eqquipment? Is it much slower than a grinding disk? Because grinding disk sounds dangerous to me.
I been reading around about angle grinders and seen people talking about knifemaking videos with such a tool. Can someone show me this vidioes pls?
TY
DST
 
Grinding disk are not dangerous if used correctly. Safety glasses and face shield, leather gloves, long sleeved heavy shirt. Pay attention to where you are shooting your sparks. They can ricochet off something and come back behind your face shield and saftey glasses, guard on machine, wheel matches machines rpm, don't bind wheel in slots, don't drop the wheel it may crack. Keep the guard between you and the wheel. Also, many people grind with the face of the wheel instead of the edge of the wheel. Grinding with the face can cause a couple serious conditions, one is it thins the wheel, which is not that serious, but as it thins the wheel it ca also wear through the fiberglass web that gives the wheel much of its integrity and make it much more apt to come apart. If you grind with the wheel semi flat its better, but, then the edge will start to thin and smaller pieces can fly off the edges and although not as dangerous as chunks still painful. This can be avoided by paying attention to the condition of your disk and when the edge starts thinning, grind something with the wheel totally perpendicular and wear the thin part of the edge away until it is at least 1/2 its normal thickness. Learn where the reinforcement is in the disk. The thin edge also becomes a whirling knife edge and will cut flesh in a heart beat.

Flappers wheels are fine in their place. When, the edge is thin they will toss off little pieces that are harmless if you are wearing good safety equipment. But, they do wear out faster than disks and being softer they conform more to the work piece. If you have a high spot a flapper wheel will not get it flat as quick as a disk because the flaps will go up and over the high spot a little bit and still remove a little of the low areas. The leave things a little bit rounded. Kind of like a slack belt grinder. The edges of flapper wheels can also become extremely thing and turn into a whirling knife edge and will cut flesh in a heart beat.

In conclusion, having used disk grinders from 4 1/2" to 9" for years in the metal trades I personally feel they are not much more dangerous than a belt grinder when used properly. If you have ever had a heavy grit belt start coming apart on a 2x72 while it is going at a high speed you would know it also has the potential for some serious injury. That is the nature of power tools, the Innocent looking drill press can turn into a flesh eating monster in a second of carelessness. Power saws of all types and sizes have maimed and killed. Lathes and milling machines the same.

YOU HAVE TO, inspect your equipment regularly for flaws, know now to use your tools their limitations hazards and analyze what you are attempting to do and look for potential traps everytime you use them. It doesn't have to be a long process, but it better be there and you had better pay attention to the tool and not be thinking about Susy's assets. Time and time again you see examples posted here of people who failed in these steps. I wish we wouldn't do this stuff, but, I applaud them for sharing this stuff as a learning tool for some and a reminder for the rest.

PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION PAY ATTENTION
 
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Is a flap disk a safe eqquipment? Is it much slower than a grinding disk? Because grinding disk sounds dangerous to me.
I been reading around about angle grinders and seen people talking about knifemaking videos with such a tool. Can someone show me this vidioes pls?
TY
DST

The GreenPete videos on youtube are a good place to start for the entire knife making process with primitive tools.

Again, know your equipment, know your work area, pay attention, and have fun!


-Xander
 
I'd recommend mounting the grinder securely to a bench top and then manipulating the material. You have a lot more control this way.

-sh00ter
 
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