Anvil choice - NIMBA vs Rathole?

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I'm getting interested in a heavy anvil and I'm looking at 450# Nimbas and 460# Ratholes. The Nimbas are cast from 8640 (which I only know for its use in gears) and the Ratholes are cast from H-13, which I know as a hot-work/die steel. I'm guessing the H-13 might hold up better to prolonged hot work, but probably splitting hairs there... Both are about the same price. Both seem to be dressed very well. I really like the look of the Rathole and I like that it has the upsetting block. Everyone raves about Nimbas and I don't hear much about Ratholes, but I suspect it's simple marketing because Rathole has done so little in terms of web visibility. They look good quality and I've heard a few good comments about them. Any opinions? Anyone have a Rathole?
 
Not sure about either, but I got a Refflinghause about a year or so ago. Man, what an anvil! It's at least 59 RC to an inch deep, just be careful, I missed once and damn near got a hammer in the face, in other words it's got somewhere north of 90% rebound. There a german pattern, with or without the side shelf. A buddy of mine got the one with the side shelf, I got one without. I've worked on his and still don't know which I'd prefer. Check them out, well worth the money.

http://www.blksmth.com/Refflinghaus_Anvils.htm
 
I worked on a Nimba midsize anvil (250ish lbs?) and I didn't care for it too much. It's quality for sure, but the face was weirdly wide for me and the rebound felt odd. I guess there was less mass under the hammer than a comparable American pattern anvil, which I'm more used to. Plus I don't really like where the holes are placed in that anvil.
Never used a rathole, although looking at them at least they seem a little more long/narrow. Pritchel hole is still in an odd spot.
 
I worked on a Nimba midsize anvil (250ish lbs?) and I didn't care for it too much. It's quality for sure, but the face was weirdly wide for me and the rebound felt odd. I guess there was less mass under the hammer than a comparable American pattern anvil, which I'm more used to. Plus I don't really like where the holes are placed in that anvil.
Never used a rathole, although looking at them at least they seem a little more long/narrow. Pritchel hole is still in an odd spot.



That's funny, I have kind of the opposite view of the Nimbas. I'm of the opinion that they've got nearly the highest ratio of mass in the waist, of the currently produced anvils. Most are much longer (yes narrower, and some like that), with a skinny waist.

I'm not personally a fan of german style heels on anvils however, which both of these anvils have.

I've used both, they're both top quality anvils. The steel selection is completely irrelevant. Both of those anvils will last far beyond any amount of work any reasonable smith is capable of putting on it in their lifetime. In the not-so-distant past, an anvil of that size would be worked with a team of strikers wielding 14+ lb sledges, going hard, day in day out, 12 hours at a time. No amount of you tink tink tinking with a 3-5lb hammer is ever going to phase either. No offense.


Don't over think it, buy what style appeals to you and that your pocketbook can afford. You'll otherwise never notice a functional difference, they're both the cream of the crop. Personally, I'd choose the Nimba if I had a gun to my head and had to pick one, but it's apples to apples, and I like a London pattern anvil regardless, which is why I chose a 250lb Fisher over anything new, when I had the opportunity to buy a mint one.
 
I'd chime in and say that part of the answer depends on what a majority of your forging will be.
I like the Nimba and am planning on purchasing one in the near future. In this area of my life, I'd say I'm more of a blacksmith turned knife-maker and still do a significant amount of non-knife related forging. The hardy/pritchel holes are in a good position if you use a lot of tooling. Since using Nimbas, I hate using my hardy tools on my anvils because each time I do I envision my heel cracking off. But that's also when forging fullers on 1 1/2" stock for gates, railings, etc...
Now that I'm forging more blades, I'm looking for smaller hammers with different head shapes and a smaller faced anvil that I can put higher.
 
You guys crack me up. The chances of breaking off a heel/horn using bottom tools in the hardy is about as high as winning the lottery. The only case this is going to happen on one of these anvils is if you use a jackhammer to strike and there's a flaw in the casting. The two very large anvils the OP is considering buying, are large enough for work 10 times bigger than he's likely ever going to do.


Also, you hot fit stock to your hardy. Only in modern times do we buy pre-made, sloppy fitting bottom tools that bounce around in their holes. If you've got a bunch of stock you want to use, get it hot, taper it a bit, and pound it in the hole with a sledge, then push it back out the other side, dress it a bit, and mark the direction it fits in the hole. Of course, don't be afraid to dress, or resize your hardy hole if you feel there's a good reason. Tools are meant to be modified to their user's purpose. Not sure why there's this culture of assuming everything is "made that way for a reason, and even if I don't understand why, better not screw it up".


Anvil edges are sharp usually, but should be dressed to the radius you find appropriate. Leave a small section sharp if need be, but it's inefficient to leave your working edges sharp, the whole point of having these "dies" is to move metal productively. Tapers are performed on near and far face radiuses, if they're sharp, they have the potential to leave cold shuts, and are very difficult to planish.


Hardy and pritchel holes should be dressed also, they're not done at all, or roughed in, because it's a subjective process that's labor intensive. Each smith should know how he wants these shoulders dressed.

A vast majority of work in the recent past (before the near death, and rebirth of smithing) were done using top and bottom tools, because of the potential for symmetry/asymmetry. Admittedly though, every smith out there had a striker or strikers to work with.
 
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