Anyone Shooting RWS Diana Air Rifles ?

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Hey Guys..

Just wondering if anyone is shooting RWS Diana pellet rifles ?

I've been shooting a Model 48 side cocker, and it's a Great rifle. Out of service at the moment for repair unfortunately...

Just bought a Diana 350 mag in .22 cal, and boy is this thing a tack driver...

Got it zeroed in at 25 yards, and just installed a Simmons Pro Air 6 scope...

Air rifles have to be one of the cheapest forms of shooting out there...
Heading out for some tree rats in a couple of days,, hope to have some pictures....

So Who else is shooting Air rifles Diana or not...

ttyle

Eric...
 
I have a Model 52 in .22 cal that I love -- it has been the "Hammer of Thor" on tree rats in my area. I really need to scope it to take advantage of its amazing accuracy...

I also have an RWS pistol in .177 (can't recall model number) that's also a sweet shooter. It's great for informal target shooting in the basement with a pellet trap.
 
Hey JFrame...

This is the first high power .22 air rifle I've owned..
My model 48 does a Great job on bunnies, however a few have escaped into the woods wounded..That I don't like!!!

I think alot of it had to do with the type of pellets I was using..I changed pellets half way through the season, and they just didn't shoot well out of it...

I've had good luck with Beeman hollow points, and have now switched again to the RWS Super H .177 pellet.


The .22 hopefully with a new scope on it should rectify any of these problems..I'm also shooting RWS Super H pellets as well as RWS Super Point,, a slight difference in shooting,,but not bad.

I had my son draw me a couple Rabbit outlines(I can't draw worth a crap) and head shots at 25 yards is child's play with this gun..I'm putting 3-4 pellets in the same hole pretty much at this distance, which is pretty decent I think...Going to set one up at 35 yards and see how it does...25 yards is about the limit I can go right now without doing some serious weed whacking in the backyard..

Look into a scope for your mod 52,, thats a great gun, you'll find a whole new sense of enjoyment shooting an accurate scoped air rifle...

After I got mine, I felt kind of sorry for my son who was still shooting my old Crossman pumper, with folded up paper under the sights.. It's a piece of crap,, so I went on Sunday and got him a smaller Diana (Made by Diana, but no Diana markings). He flipped out when I handed him a stack of 20's and told him to "Pay the man" He must have thanked me 3-4 times on the way back to the car. My Mrs. was less impressed with me..:) LOL

As far as the handgun is concerned,, that was going to be my initial purchase,,however I seen this 350 magnum and couldn't put it down...Possible my next purchase when I get bored with this one...

Great fun isn't it??
Cheap to shoot once you get over the initial sticker shock...

ttyle

Eric...
 
Hey,

I also have a Diana model 48 in .177. It is really fun to shoot but I guess I'm having some issues with the fixed sights. The rear sight is not very secure and will wobble. So I will go out and get it sighted in and the next day it will have moved some and be off again. That and I am also using cheap walmart pellets. When I ordered the gun, the pellets I heard worked really well were out of stock so I just figured I would order some at a later date (wish I of course never did and now forget what kind they were...)

I guess I need to go ahead and order good pellets and a decent scope. I know you need a fairly beefy scope to deal with the vibrations...do you have a suggestion that wont break the bank? Also, what pellets have you had the best luck with? I would assume various pellets would shoot equally well but would just need to be sighted in for the particular pellet.

I need to get it set up so that I will shoot it more, but it has just been sitting for awhile due to the moving sight and unreliable accuracy.

Ryan

PS Did the rubber piece on the cocker split on you? Since the cocker is shaped like a piece of channel, the edges of the metal have split the rubber so that the metal now pokes thru...guess I need to get a new one of those as well.
 
Eric,
About buying these RWS guns – Yup, once I got done swallowing my heart, I learned to appreciate just how fun AND economical they really are. And they’re great for reinforcing basic gun-handling/aiming skills for times I can’t get to the range (which is waaay too often). :(

I agree that ammo selection is key. I got a through-and-through, with apparently minimal shock effect, on a squirrel using the Super Point hunting pellet (between iron sights, aging eyes, and a jumpy target, I just can’t be sure of a head shot). The Super H pellets anchor the critters with any decent shot. Accuracy-wise, the Super Points and H’s seemed to be about equal. I’ve gone strictly with RWS pellets up to this point. I’ll have to give the Beemans a try…

Looks like a good scope would add a whole new world of shooting for me – I’m definitely going to have to work on that (talk about sticker-shock…).

Re: the new Diana for your son – You are a GREAT daddy! :) I get the feeling some really good bonding experiences will be taking place between father and son… :)

Ryan,
Quality ammo is definitely worth the investment! I had some off-brand .177 ammo for my air pistol, and you’d swear I was using a shotgun… I can actually envision bad ammo leading to bad shooting habits as one tries to correct shooting “problems” that aren’t there!

Happy shooting, all!

-- JFrame
 
Hey Ryan..

I had the same thing happen to me with the rear sights..Mine wobble as well..
However I just came in from the shop and I think I've fixed them...Fairly esy to do,, just be careful with them...


Start by removing the elevation thumb screw, then remove the two phillips head screws holding the sight onto the receiver.

Once you get the rear sight off,, wiggle it,,you will see where it's loose. On the end of the windage screw there is a very small E-clip on the end of it.. Somehow I got an extra :) tiny little washer left over. Be careful,, I don't know where it goes, however seems to be Ok...

Unscrew the Windage thumbscrew, and the entire works can be careful picked apart.

Inside there is a square piece that fits inside the sight mount itself. You'll see exactly where it's loose when you take it apart...

Put it carefully in a vise and squeeze it slightly together...

Re-assemble, and it should be fine...
My windage screw is now very tight, that thats fine,, I'd rather have it tight.Once it's set it won't be touched again...


Just take your time taking it apart and re-assemby.. The E-clip can be a bit tricky..It's real small so do it in the middle of the table with a white sheet or something...

As J-Frame said.. quality ammo is the key.. Try some different styles out,, Even pellets from the same brand but different shape can fly slightly different.
RWS pellets I find fly the best,, along with the Beeman Hollow points...

As far as the cocking handle goes..Mine is fine..Haven't noticed any splits in it as of yet...

ttyle

Eric...
 
Hey J-frame...

Yaa they can be a bit expensive..Cabelas has some decent prices on them though.. Their new R 2003 model looks Really interesting..Has interchanable barells so you can shoot both .177 and .22 pellets from the same rifle,, and decent speeds as well...

As you said they can also make you a better shooter with re-enforcing breathing, trigger squeeze, follow through and good habits... I also agree that cheap pellets can cause you to make bad shots by second guessing yourself..Once you get a good pellet,,you should stick with them...I prefer a slightly heavier pellet in the model 48, as light pellets at 1100fps can become unstable and be effected more by wind or what have you...

The Super Point and Super H are very close in accuracy.. I find the Super Point a little better at longer range though...Haven't whacked anything yet,, other than paper rabbits, so can't comment on the .22 as of yet..
I hit a rabbit with a Beeman H-point,,and it flipped upside down with it's legs straight in the air and didn't move.. That was impressive, and was a Boiler Room shot...

With this scoped .22 head shots should be easy,, however I understand what you are saying about the eyes,, and steady shooting... I REALLY notice how much I shake with a scope zoomed in.. Still doing OK, however if it wasn't for the scope,, I wouldn't be taking shots like that....

Looks like a good scope would add a whole new world of shooting for me – I’m definitely going to have to work on that (talk about sticker-shock…).

Yaaaa they work really nice...

I'm using a Simmons Pro Air 6 3X18X40AO.. Super nice scope for sure...


J-Frame Writes:

"Re: the new Diana for your son – You are a GREAT daddy! :) I get the feeling some really good bonding experiences will be taking place between father and son… :)"

Well this year is really the first time he's expressed that he wants to hunt with me,, or at least give it a try...I've pretty much left him alone about it until now. He's a very sensitive young man, and pushing hunting on him isn't the way to go about it,,some kids maybe,, but not him...

He's been around it all of his life,, and even at an early age I've hammered ethics, and good values about hunting and why I hunt into him, so he understands the ethical part about taking another creatures life, but doing it,, and seeing it done is a entirely different matter.

As a child we use to roam the woods with our air guns and kill everything that moved, just for the hell of it... I can't do that any more and instilling good habits onto my son, hopefully he won't as well... "If ya Kill it, Ya Grill it" is the moto around here. Excluded are summer rabbits, skunks, and ferrel cats. Those are open season all year long.

We spent the better part of sunday throwing lead down range in the back yard,, and he's really enjoying it... Gun handling and safety are also #1 on my list. I've had one accidental dischage in my life,, and that was enough for me to completely change my gun handling habits. Luckily no one was behind me when I touched the 12 guage off!

A few years ago, we did some destructive testing of steel cans of water and watermelons with our boys watching, using 12 guage slugs.. The damage was enough to open the boys eyes...

Give the kids a healthy respect for life and how easily it can be taken,, and they'll look at things a little different,, and won't take another life needlessly..

ttyle

Eric....




Ryan,
Quality ammo is definitely worth the investment! I had some off-brand .177 ammo for my air pistol, and you’d swear I was using a shotgun… I can actually envision bad ammo leading to bad shooting habits as one tries to correct shooting “problems” that aren’t there!

Happy shooting, all!

-- JFrame[/QUOTE]
 
Hi All-

My question is the same as silenthunterstudios above. My interest is in plinking tin cans and giving ferral cats a sharp rap on the butt to keep them away from the birds I've attracted to my yard. I'm thinking .177 to keep the noise down in my suburbanish neighborhood.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Normark,

Thanks for the reply! I will go give that a try in a bit. I usually am the tinkering kind of person just havent gotten the motivation to mess with it yet. I will also try some good pellets. I think RWS has a sampler pack so I might give that a try to see what works best for me. Would love to get a scope but I'm going to try to get it to shoot consistently before I invest in one.

These air rifles aren't like the BB guns you had when you were a kid. They are basically a rifle that uses air to shoot pellets. My model 48 is bigger and heavier than my winchester model 94 30-30 and about the same weight as some 308 and 30-06 I have hunted with.

If you just want to knock some tin cans around or give a cat a sore rear end you would probably be better off with a daisy red ryder. If you shoot a cat in the butt with one of these it will probably wonder off in the woods and starve to death as I could easily see it shattering a small bone.

They also make a little more noise than a standard pneumatic bb gun. Since they have a spring and piston that powers it, the spring is a little more noisy so nosy neighbors might not like it if they are close by. Not nearly loud as a 22 rimfire but could still bother the sheeple. Just some things to consider.

Ryan
 
Normark said:
As far as the handgun is concerned,, that was going to be my initial purchase


Eric, what pistol were you looking at ? Right now I'm kinda torn between Webley's Tempest and Nemesis, and the Beeman P-3.

After the pistol I'm going for a rifle. Either an RWS/Diana or Beeman, I'm not sure which. :confused:

Paul
 
Hey Eric,

Thanks a LOT for mentioning the new RWS rifle. As a Thompson Contender owner, the thought of an interchangeable-barrel air rifle might be irresistible for me... I see a REAL dollar pit opening up here... ;)

Regardless of whether your son gets the hunting fever or not, it sounds like you're bonding with him and educating him in the lessons (both gun-related and on life in general) that really matter... Good job! By the way, I agree about gun safety being the first, second, and third priority in ANY gun-related activity...

Blue Jays,

Ditto to what Ryan says about the RWS rifles if it's for scaring off feral cats. Best stay away from the Model 48/52 level of side-cocking rifles. They'll push a 14-grain pellet at 900 fps or thereabouts, and the .177's will send a smaller pill at closer to 1,100 fps -- a lot of maiming potential there. You might want to consider one of the break-top RWS (or some other model) air pistols. They're plenty accurate, and with a pellet at 400-450 fps, shouldn't do more than give neighborhood pests a stinging reminder. Also, ditto to what Ryan said about the noise factor. The more powerful air guns can be quite loud in a neighborhood setting...

--JFrame
 
Hey Guys...

Silent Hunter..

It all depends really on how much you want to spend.. That new RWS 2003 comes in at around $300USD.. Actually a pretty decent price as far as I'm concerned..
Don't know what your budgit is like though...
RWS has some lower power guns in the 500fps range that are pleanty good for plinking and taking care of small critters....

As far as ferrel cats go.. Theres only about 2-3 cats I will leave alone around my house,, because I know who's they are... The rest get high speed lead, especially if I see one in the bush,, then it's doomed.. I love cats as much as the next guy, but they have no purpose in the woods other than eating birds and such. Cats need to be kept indoors or at least kept track of.

J-frame...

Yaa have a look at that 2003,, thats a neat looking gun, and being dual calibur could really come in handy...

Pwork...

Not sure which model it is.. From the price of it,, around $300 CDN, it must be one of their higher power ones...

I've seen the Webley,, and it looks to be a really nice handgun..Haven't looked into the Beeman yet.. Theres another German manufacturer of handguns as well however I haven't looked into them at all yet...

I'm left handed,,so the Diana pistol would need new grips made or bought..Could be an interesting project,, and with the handle materials I have access to,, it sounds like a nice little project...

ttyle

Eric...
 
Eric,

I took apart my rear sight and it seems to be doing better. The wobble is gone (except a little coming from the front of the sight where the elevation is adjusted) and I am getting consistent shots as far as left and right. I am getting a little elevation change but that is probably a combination of the pellets I am shooting and my eyes.

Also, the little washer goes underneath the e clip, if you still have it laying around. Thanks for the motivation! :D

Ryan
 
Hi All-

These air/spring rifles sound a bit more potent than for what I have in mind.

I already own quality pistols and shotguns...so I figured these would be a good non-lethal tool that would be fun for plinking targets and would be an excellent reminder to ferral (and semi-ferral) cats to steer clear of my yard. Sounds like these rifles might pack too much of a punch for that duty.

My goal is for something reasonably quiet to give these neighborhood cats a sharp sting on the rump without causing permanent injury or having folks calling the police to investigate. As an owner of pets myself, I don't hate these cats, but their owners are unwilling to keep them inside and they've killed several beautiful songbirds on my property for no reason.

Any additional advice or suggestions for high-quality air rifles will be sincerely appreciated. It would be great if there were models with adjustable foot-per-second settings.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Blue Jays,

They are pretty powerful and the single cock, spring-piston guns only have one power setting. Also, these guns only shoot pellets and you have to load them one at a time. However, if you get a pneumatic gun, most you can pump them up, up until say 10 pumps when they reach the max suggested velocity. So the less you pump it the slower it will travel. Also, most can shoot both bb's and pellets and will have a magazine for the bb's so you dont have to load it one at a time. I had a crosman 1377, which is a pistol that I added a stock to, growing up. It was more of a carbine with the stock and it was pretty accurate. However, this gun also has a breech that you have to load one at a time but it would also shoot bb's. I stuck a cylindrical magnet on the side that sat in a goove and put bb's on it so they would be quickly accessible. It might be more along the lines of what you are looking for but just about any of the bb guns you get at walmart will be pneumatic and allow you to control how much you pump it up. 2 or 3 pumps will provide a nice sting but wont break skin...dont ask how I know. Its amazing I lived thru my youth...
 
Hey Fla..

That's Great.. Glad it worked for you..
As for the washer.. Stupid me,, I could have looked at my 350 to see where it went..
Thanks and yes,,still have it in a box with other left over parts of various things..:)

Bluejay..

Yaa they are Very powerful.. My .22 350 Mag rings the bell at 950 fps and my mod 48 @ 1100FPS..
They both blow through 3/4 and 7/8 inch plywood like it wasn't there,,so yaaa stinging a ferrel cat,,you don't want to use these unless you are out to kill it...

I read somewhere that one ferrel cat can be responsible for over 150,000 song birds in it's lifetime,considering offspring. That's Alot of Chick-A-Dees!!!

They make some fine 500fps guns that are just as good for plinking...
My suggestion for Stinging cats is a Crossman Pumper BB gun. The power can be regulated by only giving it 1-3 pumps...

Heres a picture of mine and my son's guns

rwsguns.jpg


ttyle

Eric...
 
Hey Fla...

Yaa that the same gun I use to have and what my son just now grew out of...
They can be pretty powerful when pumped to Max..
I killed a coon in the backyard with one by accident....:( when I only wanted to "sting" it...

The nice thing about having such a powerful pellet gun is,,when you get tired of shooting at 25-30 yards,,just push it back another 10 yards or so and make the target a little smaller...

A neat little target I use is a hard drive platter,, not sure what they are made from. Ti I think, hang it on a string in a tree or somewhere and plink away..They make a Real nice sound,and theres no mistake if you hit it or not...
I go to a computer store and ask them to save me all of their junk throw away hard drives, and dismantle them for their platters and even cooler their rare earth magnets.

ttyle

Eric....
 
Eric, I've got an m48 in .177 too along with an m36 in .22. Iron sights on the .22, got 2 bunnies with headshots ~15yds. The 48 has a scope on it and I tell you, that sucker's heavy! One thing that I've learned is that you really need to be consistent with the hold on a springer! In case you are interested I chronod my 48 with 14 different pellets, can send you the xl file.

The best overall performance (accuracy, weight, velocity) was the 8.8gr Beeman Crowmagnum at 997fps and 19.4ft-lbs energy. Fastest conventional pellet was the 6.5gr Beeman Laser at 1111fps and 17.8ft-lbs energy.

Those 5.5gr Skenko pellets from Cabelas clocked 1260fps! And penetrated two 28 gauge zinc sheets almost through the third. Regular pellets wouldn't even go through one.
Adam
 
Hey APS....

Those 5.5mm pellets must do a number on them Eh.. They just don't get up from one of those.. I have yet to blast anything with my new gun yet,, however,,maybe this weekend...

Any problems with the rear sight wobbling on yours ?? Two of us already have the same problem.. I'm wondering if it's a problem with the sight utself ??

As for the gun being heavy.. It is is pretty heavy,, much like a center fire rifle heavy.. I like that.. I prefer a heavy gun to a light one.. Seems as though I'm a better shot with a rifle that has some weight to it...

I'd like to see that Chrono file.. Not sure how much I can digest from it,, but interesting to see none the less..

I also like a heavier pellet.. I think it is a little more stable in flight then something going super sonic...

That Stenco pellet sounds interesting though..
Is that a ballistic tip pellet ??
JPS makes one like that...

I've been already told not to shoot the plastic pellets in my rifles..Seems it really hard on the spring....

Thanks

Eric....

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