Are all leaf springs made of the same steel?

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5160 is what's used for Chevy leaf springs right? But what about leaf springs from other vehicles types like early 70's Japanese cars, Toyota pickups, etc.

Of course I suspect they're all the same, but I could be wrong.
 
I have no absolute confirmation (through analysis etc), But from my experience with leaf springs the answer is no.
 
i checked the local spring shops awhile back looking for 5160 or1084 and all of them said they use 4140 now factory would be different but each manufactory will use something different
 
Thus why buying new steel is a good idea. You can get a 'serviceable' heat treat with a mystery steel, but to get a good heat treat you should know what you're using... and the heat treat is what makes the difference between a knife and a fancy letter opener.
 
yeah but a few tests will indicate what you have. free steel is a pritty good deal.

what tests can tell you witch of 4-5 steels your sample is short of lab analysis? It seems like to me even steel suppliers often mislabel steel once its actual makeup is brought to light. Not trying to bust your chops or anything, just wondering if there is some test I am not aware of (it wouldn't surprise me, theres plenty I don't know).
 
Well as far as test go, it might be worth it if you had a large supply of steel that you were somewhat confident in to make a test blade and check the heat treat.
 
I'll pick up where Dustin and John left off.
Short of having an analysis of the steel done by a lab, you have no way of knowing what it is. You can do some test blades and see if it gets hard....but will that tell you what steel it is???? If you are making knives for fun in the garage that will probably be Good Enough ,but if you are trying to make a quality knife (especially for sale) then it won't pass muster.
Stacy
 
Some scrap yards have a gun that can analyze the steel. Not sure how accurate they are, but if a person had a bunch of leaf springs and they were intent on using them, it might be a start.
 
Not to poo on your idea, but if they are the same guns I'm familiar with, they will only tell content of alloying elements above a certain weight, which unfortunately means carbon content is out.
 
Not a problem at all, I really have no idea how much use they are. Perhaps they can at least tell someone if they are working with a 10xx steel or one of the 4x, 5x, 6x, etc steels.
 
We have a top of the line PMI gun at work and it can tell you the amount of chrome, nickel, Vanadium, Manganese, tungsten, etc. BUT it can not tell you how much carbon and carbon is very critical to hardening. It is interesting and can tell you if it was a 5x or a 10x
 
Since we are working with leaf springs we can assume they have enough carbon to harden. If a person could determine if it were 5xxx or 10xx they could probably come up with a more suitable heat treat, even if they couldn't determine the exact carbon content.
 
I'll pick up where Dustin and John left off.
Short of having an analysis of the steel done by a lab, you have no way of knowing what it is. You can do some test blades and see if it gets hard....but will that tell you what steel it is???? If you are making knives for fun in the garage that will probably be Good Enough ,but if you are trying to make a quality knife (especially for sale) then it won't pass muster.
Stacy

What part of getting a large supply of a steel determining a reliable heat treat and making quality knives out of it does'nt add up? < admitedly getting a little off topic but how many guys have done well with ball bearings, Planner blades...etc. for years.
 
The comment wasn't meant as argumentative, but as educational.
As a arbitrary debate ( I have no personal stake in whether someone knows what his steel actually is ) - lets go with your scenario.

Knifemaker Bob has been given a large amount of some steel that he has been told is some kind of spring steel.

After annealing the steel, he can do a series of tests ( about ten to twenty test blades to get a good reliable set of HT parameters), and get reasonably good blades from this steel.This would take a hobby smith a couple of months, and cost $50-60 in gas, electricity, and belts. He would then know how to HT the steel for a knife with good performance (maybe the best performance....maybe not), but still would not know what the steel was. It could be 9260, or 5160, or 1060....and would have about the same HT. At the end he may have a few usable test blades left, depending on how many were tested to destruction, and how many had a good HT.

OR - He could purchase a 22 foot long bar of 1.5X.25" 5160 from Admiral or a spring shop for less than $100, including shipping.The HT specs are provided by the seller, and/or are readily available from any metallurgical reference book.
That would make more than 20 knives for most makers. For a cost of about $150 (including the gas, electricity, and belts), or about $7.50 a knife to make the blades.
So, unless he is in the business of selling knives, he could make a knife every two weeks for a year from the one bar of known steel.

If he is a hobbiest, then using the found steel may bring joy to his heart. Saving money is important to most folks.
However, if he sells knives, he must be able to tell the purchaser what the steel is. He can say, "Some kind of spring steel." and that will work for some buyers. As the price goes up, and the buyer becomes more sophisticated, that answer often won't be good enough.

OK, so Knifemaker Bob starts out using this steel, sells some knives,and his customers are fine with it for the camp knives he made them. Later he becomes a more talented smith and makes better quality knives, and more of them. Will some of his former clients still remember that his knives are made from, "Some Kind of Steel"??? Even if he is now using a known steel, they may still think that.

This is a summation of where I was getting at with the post I made.

Yes, with the proper skills and testing,you can make a good knife from found steel.

Yes, many smiths (mostly ones who had attained a reasonable level of skill and equipment) make great blades from ball bearings and planer blades. They did, however, already know that the bearings were indeed 52100, or the planer blades were indeed D-2 before they made the knife. ( A planer blade may be anything from 10XX steel to D-2, to carbide- very different HT's).

No, found steel is not a good way to start learning forging and knifemaking.
Using a known steel is the way to start.

No, you won't know what it is unless you have it analyzed.
Having a sample analyzed ( it only takes a 2"X2" piece) is a cheap way to turn that pile of donated steel into a knifemakers bonanza. Costs run form about $20 to $50-60 for most labs. A forumite here would test a piece for free a while back (I'll leave it to him to volunteer).

Stacy
 
and some customers wont even just except that its new 5160 or W2 and thy want the actual test results. so its good to know for sure.
 
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