Are external-frame packs obsolete?

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Got thinking about this today as I was re-evaluating my current inventory of packs. I see that there are a few commercial external-frame packs sill available, as well as milsurp. Is this design outdated? Has the internal frame taken over when it comes to packing big loads?
 
I prefer external frame. As a scout in the '70s, I used external frame packs for all of my trips with good results (except that darn Sears pack, circa '76...torture!). Still my design of choice.

I don't think external frames are obsolete; they just aren't as trendy as the internal frame.
 
Externals are great, breath well and durable. I think it is an issue of what sells better in advertising. Last commercial one I remember was a K2 External frame
 
Externals are great, breath well and durable. I think it is an issue of what sells better in advertising. Last commercial one I remember was a K2 External frame

They are also a little more forgiving as to how you pack them.

Among my pack collection I have an external frame hybrid that is not made any longer. It is a huge pack but the frame is only about ten inches wide. I used it for X-country snowshoeing and winter camping. My wife's cat urinated all over it I have never been able to get the smell out of it.

Time for a new internal frame, I guess.
 
Just got back from a successful sheep hunt. It would have been terrible with my internal frame pack. The Exo-frame allows for more creative packing and carries large loads better. My pack was 100+lb coming out of the mountains and im a 160lb guy. I had little to no sore spots after the trip and it was a joy to carry.
 
External frames aren't obsolete at all they are actually on their way back into style for hunting and packing oddly shaped items like c.t. is talking about. But also companies like mystery ranch and kifaru are making hybrid type frames and such to give you more options on packing volumes, lashing options, and organization. I just think we don't hear the words so much anymore cause it's not "cool" and the external frame technology has pretty well achieved its zenith.
 
In warm weather when I can walk upright without a lot of bending or twisting, I prefer the external frame pack. If I'm doing an "obstacle" course in cold weather, I prefer the internal frame. My external pack frame has many lashing point whereby I can secure a weird shaped and/or sized load with a diamond hitch.
 
I love external frame packs (just not for riding the T). I think some people are intimidated by them, however. To a casual hiker/camper they probably seem more complicated than something you just fill and carry. As Liberando said, internals are "trendy," and apparent user-friendliness may be one reason. Ironically, I think exo-frames are more user-friendly due to their adaptability.

Another reason might be overall appearance: An internal can be made to look more visually appealing - unified and sleek. An exo-frame has a more form-follows-function aesthetic.

In terms of design zenith: Not so sure. When something isn't trendy, companies don't put many resources into R&D. I haven't yet seen carbon fiber, optimized flex/rigidity, or hinging (but maybe I haven't googled hard enough).
 
I love external frame packs (just not for riding the T). I think some people are intimidated by them, however. To a casual hiker/camper they probably seem more complicated than something you just fill and carry. As Liberando said, internals are "trendy," and apparent user-friendliness may be one reason. Ironically, I think exo-frames are more user-friendly due to their adaptability.

Another reason might be overall appearance: An internal can be made to look more visually appealing - unified and sleek. An exo-frame has a more form-follows-function aesthetic.

In terms of design zenith: Not so sure. When something isn't trendy, companies don't put many resources into R&D. I haven't yet seen carbon fiber, optimized flex/rigidity, or hinging (but maybe I haven't googled hard enough).

http://www.kuiu.com/hunting-backpacks-packs/
Carbon fiber? Yes.
Optimized flex? Not sure, but the frame does have a flex point.
Hinging? Again, not sure, but the bag can be detached from the top stays to create a "cargo sling" between the fame and the bag.

I think they hit all the points, but I'm not sure about your definitions.
 
External frame packs allow for larger volume and more irregular shaped loads. I believe they can carry more weight too but maybe internal frame packs have gotten better. Internal frame packs look better, are more compact, and allow you to move better with them on. For instance if you are climbing you need an internal frame pack. I had to toss my Kelty external frame pack 3 years ago when we moved because the cloth was severely deteriorated. I have not needed to replace it yet, when I do I hope there is a good external frame pack available.
 
The best suspension systems are found on internal frames. The only packs I now haul on my back are Osprey.
 
The best suspension systems are found on internal frames. The only packs I now haul on my back are Osprey.

For general camping, hiking, or rock scrambling I think most would agree. However, try to stuff a bull elk quarter into- or lash it to- your internal frame pack and the versatility and utility of a good external frame pack becomes apparent.
 
Got thinking about this today as I was re-evaluating my current inventory of packs. I see that there are a few commercial external-frame packs sill available, as well as milsurp. Is this design outdated? Has the internal frame taken over when it comes to packing big loads?

The best suspension systems are found on internal frames. The only packs I now haul on my back are Osprey.

For general camping, hiking, or rock scrambling I think most would agree. However, try to stuff a bull elk quarter into- or lash it to- your internal frame pack and the versatility and utility of a good external frame pack becomes apparent.

Couple of thoughts...

First, big loads suck. They just totally, totally, totally suck. They wreck your knees and compress the discs in your back, which is a lousy surprise in your 50s. If there is any way to avoid big loads, do that first, imo.

Second, there are places where big loads can't be gotten rid of. Winter camping is one. I guess some forms of hunting demand it, but to be honest, I suspect this hunting pack thing is more of a western state issue. Nobody I know in the east is dragging out deer or moose on a backpack. Regardless.... the basic trade-off is between greater flexiblity and closer to the body carry (internals) and better "on the hips" carry of heavy loads in an upright position (externals). For backcountry skiing, I prefer my internal. For trail hiking, my external. It's worth noting that the AMC hut crews tend to use old-style pack frames for carrying soul and spine crushing loads up and down from the huts in New Hampshire and for good reason.

Three, I think Leghog is mostly right that many modern internal makers (Osperey, Gregory) have better should straps and hip belts, but I wouldn't rule out external/hybrid makers like Mystery Ranch. But on the other hand, I don't think suspension is everything. To my chagrin and happy surprise, the old Kelty Tioga I purchased used carries incredibly well, despite it's crude suspension components. A bit part of this is how incredibly well it transfers weight to the hips and how the rigid pack frame entirely eliminates sag in the system as mile stack on top of miles.

For really light loads, I like a frameless internal. But for moderate/heavy loads I go with my Kelty now, unless I'm skiing. But we'll see. I may try the Kelty for skiing this winter.

Kelty Tioga by Pinnah, on Flickr

Note, Kelty sells new hip straps and shoulder straps on their web site so if you can find an old Kelty for cheap, you can easily upgrade the suspension. The new hip strap is not reienforced but is quite comfortable for loads up to 40 lbs.
 
To my mind (and I might be off the mark with this set of assumptions, but...) external frames are superior when the external profile of the pack doesn't matter, and when maximum load carrying versatility is needed. Internals, on the other hand, seem better when you need either a trim and streamlined profile (mountaineering, navigating tight spaces where you don't want to get snagged, shedding large amounts of snow, etc.), and/or when you're getting into the ultralight realm, where you start minimizing pack structure (ie. trading full frames for simple framesheets with no other rigid stays) to save mass/weight.
 
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