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Arizona Custom Knives - something to watch out for

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Before I launch into the main topic of this post I would like to say that every time I have done business with AZCK has been positive from start to finish. They are excellent with communication, negotiation, organization and shipping, and are very understanding of the customer.

This said, AZCK is not just a dealer but a consignment service as well. My attention has been brought to something that has recently been occurring with consignment knives sold through AZCK that I feel the community should be aware of. These are knives sent by people unaffiliated with AZCK to AZCK to be publicly posted for potential customers to view.

In posting this I speak only for myself and in reference to discussions I have had with other collectors, and do not claim to have full knowledge of either this issue or of how things operate at AZCK.


What we have been observing is the appearance of products connected to obscure knife "pimpers", "customizers" and the like. Often these knives are popular or semi-popular models which have been modified and put up for consignment, usually at exorbitantly higher prices than the base model. While work by well-established service providers such as Razor Edge Knives, or knifemaker Tom Krein, may be indeed more desirable than a stock base model, it is unclear if customization done by these obscure service providers adds to the desirability of a knife.

The cause for concerns comes up with the fact that these modified knives are listed for sale right next to not only work done by the aforementioned service providers but also next to full custom knives in the $1000-10,000 range. Given the relative (sometimes total) obscurity of these obscure knife "customizers" and the fact that their work on AZCK sometimes sells for strangely high prices and is then followed by similar listings of similarly modified knives, we suspect that either an associate of the knife "customizer" in question or a collector rebranding or misrepresenting customization work performed by another service provider is attempting to take advantage of the high-profile audience of AZCK, artificially establishing name recognition and a range for added-value.

Whether this is being done (if this is in fact being done) to sell a few knives in the short term or to build a customer base for the long term, it is highly suspect as the work of these knife "customizers" has not appeared on nearly any knife dealers websites except for AZCK. The consignment nature of AZCK, while enabling private collectors to gain an audience interested in what they would like to sell, enables others to game the system in ways such as these.
 
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I don't follow. If I have a knife, customized or not, and want to sell it on consignment with AZCK, I set the price. A customer can buy it or not. If I falsely claim that customization was done by someone other than whomever actually did it, that's a different issue. Otherwise, I really don't understand your point.
 
I don't follow. If I have a knife, customized or not, and want to sell it on consignment with AZCK, I set the price. A customer can buy it or not. If I falsely claim that customization was done by someone other than whomever actually did it, that's a different issue. Otherwise, I really don't understand your point.

It is just a warning to take extra caution with knives that have been customized by very obscure service providers. They may be fabricated names of customizers (sterile regrinds without logos whom the regrind customer etches a logo on and then represents it as done by "____ Knives or is a ____ Regrind". They may be the service provider themselves trying to drum up customers by having an associate post their work for exorbitant prices on AZCK, giving the impression that their work is desirable and adds value to a knife.
 
Thanks, we can all sleep better now........😴

This is priceless

This article/editorial was quite informative well not so much...
They offer knives. I have bought numerous without one hitch...

My take on this. You may or may not have had a good buying experience
and you feel by taking the time to type A 15 minute editorial will change
Any of your issues with this knife dealer???

Perhaps you have numerous points. ? I merely agree with. You buy. Or you dont buy
from this dealer....the choices are very black and white!!!
 
I have nothing but positive experiences when dealing with AZCK. Their descriptions are accurate, and they are always willing to answer any questions. They are willing to consider counter offers, and if the knife is on consignment, will act as go between with the consignor and buyer. Everything is conducted in an ethical manner.

I have seen the various pimped/modded knives referred to by the OP. When the price, or quality of work, in my opinion, does not warrant the asking price, I counter or move on. There's no bait and switch going on. It's a great place to find unicorns.
 
I don't follow. If I have a knife, customized or not, and want to sell it on consignment with AZCK, I set the price. A customer can buy it or not. If I falsely claim that customization was done by someone other than whomever actually did it, that's a different issue. Otherwise, I really don't understand your point.

^^^ This. As a consignor, they have to try to get what the customer wants them to go for. On more than one occasion I've talked to one of the employees there, and in the conversation mentioned "The xxx you have listed is probably around $XXX over what it should be". Every single time the response has been along the lines of "I know, but that's what the customer wants". Also, as a consignor, they can't be expected to know about all the knives they get in. They're reliant on the seller to give an accurate description of the knife.
 
The fact that some veritable nobody would want to customize a knife and then sell it at a markup is definitely one of the greatest ills our society has ever faced. I'm glad we have people here pointing this out, what would we ever do without them.
 
The fact that some veritable nobody would want to customize a knife and then sell it at a markup is definitely one of the greatest ills our society has ever faced. I'm glad we have people here pointing this out, what would we ever do without them.

Heaven forbid, Mayo and Krein were once nobodies! No one should have been allowed to sell thier work, right?!? :eek:
 
Yeah. I don't see the problem. If you don't want it don't buy it. If their work is selling for that ammount then that means people will buy it at that ammount.
 
AZCK takes 25%, so that is the reason for many high prices. Just like people add eBay fees to make up for the loss, this can explain the higher than normal prices many times on AZCK.

As for claiming a knife was custom done by a well known artist and it actually wasn't, that's fraud. Nothing would most likely be done of course, bit its is indeed fraud.

I have absolutely Zero interest in customized sebenzas or anything CRK customized. For one, in most cases it voids the warranty. Another is that it has a limited Nitche and it can cause loss of value save for the mayos and Kreins of the world. If buying custom work, insist on documentation. If it's not there, just move on.
 
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The fact that some veritable nobody would want to customize a knife and then sell it at a markup is definitely one of the greatest ills our society has ever faced. I'm glad we have people here pointing this out, what would we ever do without them.
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Obscure rant is obscure.

I too can't follow the logic here. People have the right to set their own price on an item in almost any market and in any circumstance.
 
I have done a fair amount of business with them over the years . It is definitely the customer setting the price on the over valued knives . I feel when they do outright purchase of a knife although on the higher range most prices are fair enough. Pimp jobs usually detract from value . If you buy a knife from AZCK and you are not happy they will accept a return . Remember this .. One mans junk is another mans treasure .
 
I have sold many knives with AZCK and I have noticed they will describe my items as being in excellent condition even thou they show many signs of carry. Made me think twice about purchasing any used/consignment items from them again. This is just food for thought take it or leave it.
 
I have sold knives with ACK for years and never once had a problem.
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I have nothing but positive experiences when dealing with AZCK. Their descriptions are accurate, and they are always willing to answer any questions. They are willing to consider counter offers, and if the knife is on consignment, will act as go between with the consignor and buyer. Everything is conducted in an ethical manner.

I have seen the various pimped/modded knives referred to by the OP. When the price, or quality of work, in my opinion, does not warrant the asking price, I counter or move on. There's no bait and switch going on. It's a great place to find unicorns.

My sentiments exactly. I have bought and sold knives at AZCK for more than 4 years and have found them to be fair and honest.
 
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