Axis Lock Safety

MatthewSB

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It looks like some Barrage models have a safety, while others don't, or do they all have the safety?

The models that do have the safety, can you lock it both open or closed?

If you've used them, what do you think of the Barrage and Mini barrage that have the safeties?
 
I think the Barrage has a safety because it is an assisted opening knife.
 
The safety is there to stop the assisted opening mechanism from firing in your pocket and yes you can lock in both open and closed positions. I de-assisted my mini barrage and took out the safety as it is almost useless without the assist. The 470 emissary also has the added safety.
 
I'm not so worried about it opening in my pocket. However, I've dropped my closed, but unlocked, mini Barrage a few times onto a hardwood floor. It's sprung open a couple times just from the impact of 3 to 4 feet (I know, "stop dropping it!" LOL). I'm sure it's there for safety, but perhaps more importantly, to reduce Benchmade's liability.

Nit as much of an issue now since I've been mostly carrying my 940 lately.

Elisabeth
 
All Barrage models have a safety. It can be used to lock the blade closed and open. My experience has been to leave the lock in the unlocked position at all times. I have never had a Barrage open or close accidentally.
 
Love the safeties on the Barrage.Also nice to know there's a extra level of safety when in use. From a tactical stand,not so great if you were to have the safety on and drew your knife without switching it off.
 
I guess I like the idea of the safety on the Axis lock. The main reason I don't buy many Benchmade knives is because they put that lock on everything and I don't like that it's weakest link is a pair of tiny springs that seem to break randomly. Having the safey would allow the user to lock the blade open if the springs ever broke.

I have 3 Barrages and have never used the safety either open or closed.

Has it ever come on accidently?
 
I've gotten better at making sure the safety lock is on when not in use cause have had my mini barrage open up a couple times in my pocket. Also when picking it up had the blade deploy on me few times when lock not on. Love the knife but is one that see my careless self getting a cut once or twice with in the future. But it's worth it.:)
 
I guess I like the idea of the safety on the Axis lock. The main reason I don't buy many Benchmade knives is because they put that lock on everything and I don't like that it's weakest link is a pair of tiny springs that seem to break randomly. Having the safey would allow the user to lock the blade open if the springs ever broke.



Has it ever come on accidently?

Have you ever had a spring break?
 
I guess I like the idea of the safety on the Axis lock. The main reason I don't buy many Benchmade knives is because they put that lock on everything and I don't like that it's weakest link is a pair of tiny springs that seem to break randomly. Having the safey would allow the user to lock the blade open if the springs ever broke.

It seems you are misunderstanding about BKC. The meme of spring braking is as much nonsense as frame lock slips without a warning.

1. Safety is only on few models. Autos and Some assisted models. Assisted opening is not limited to BKC, but it seems BKC is responsible enough to put it on. Many users, as you can see on Blade forum that removes AXIS assist safety lock.

It never opened without intentional swing to open. I have seen the AXIS assisted knife dropping to the floor, but the lock didn't even budge. May be something to do with the angle and the height.

2. AXIS-assist spring is not omega spring: Some people say Omega spring brakes. It had never have happened to my Benchmade. Also there are 2 springs, and AXIS lock keeps blade locked with even one spring. I trust AXIS over liner lock or frame lock.

3. Assisted AXIS spring is separate: Assisted open is done with stronger opening spring. In case of AA lock, it is coiled and similar to Auto Axis. If you ever tried Auto Adamas, the spring is very tough.
 
I guess I like the idea of the safety on the Axis lock. The main reason I don't buy many Benchmade knives is because they put that lock on everything and I don't like that it's weakest link is a pair of tiny springs that seem to break randomly. Having the safey would allow the user to lock the blade open if the springs ever broke.
One of the benefits of dual Omega springs is that if one fails, one spring has enough tension to keep the lock open or closed. One of the springs in my Kulgera broke after a few years of use. The blade was able still lock open or keep the knife closed.
 
I had one of the original "Mel Pardue Axis Folder"s as my only user knife for 10 years or so. I almost completely wore the finish off of the aluminum handle and never broke an Omega spring. Other people have had the springs go on their week old knife, others took a few months or years.

I have never had a properly built liner lock "go bad" or fail on me. Either they worked fine from the start, or they didn't and it was obvious and were exchanged for safe knives. My oldest Spyderco Military is 6 years old now and has been used a lot. The lock is just as good now as it was when I got it.

It seems you are misunderstanding about BKC. The meme of spring braking is as much nonsense as frame lock slips without a warning.

I know that they do not break constantly, but there are consistent reports of people breaking their Omega springs without warning. With a lock that uses a steel (or titanium) bar, if it is going to fail there will almost always be a sign, and once it does "fail" it is usually still useable.

I used to design structural systems (beams, bridges, roofs, etc.) and I'm good at spotting a weak link - the Omega spring is far weaker, and more likely to fail without warning, than a properly tuned frame/liner/compression/puzzle lock made by Spyderco/Benchmade/ZT/Emerson or any other quality manufacturer.

One of the benefits of dual Omega springs is that if one fails, one spring has enough tension to keep the lock open or closed. One of the springs in my Kulgera broke after a few years of use. The blade was able still lock open or keep the knife closed.

Based on a search here, when one Omega spring fails the other usually fails soon after. I like my fingers too much to rely on half of a lock system.

I get that you guys love Axis locks, but it doesn't make me stupid to notice its shortcomings and consider them when deciding on whether or not to spend a couple hundred dollars on a knife.

Adding a safety to a breakage prone knife is a good idea, in my opinion, and might get me to finally buy an Axis lock Benchmade.
 
I don't really like safeties on knives and never use them, they just slow me down. I like the Axis lock because it is fast to open and close one handed. I'm honestly not worried about the springs breaking, It's a rare occurrence and I use my Benchmades as a tool for everyday tasks, not self defense or survival. If one of the springs break, no big deal the one remaining should hopefully last me the rest of the day. If both break at the same time, again no big deal the world will keep spinning and I will manage just fine until I can swap out for a different knife. If you live in the jungle and rely on your knife for survival then carry two, and make one of them a fixed blade.
 
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