Backcountry handguns

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Reading the other thread about choosing a handgun for the wild outdoors prompted me to start this thread.

Readers can agree or disagree or throw rocks at me but the following are my observations.

There are many good resons to carry a handgun while out and about. Let's break it down to two area. Hunting (small game or big game) and protection (two legged and four legged)

Now, for small game, you can't beat an accurate 22 in either a wheelgun or auto. That's where the 22 begins and ends.

When you get to the big game and self defense arena,my experience shows me that really only calibers up to and including the 357 Magnum should be considered. Many biggame species are tough and have dense muscle and fat which makes penetration vital.Bad people may be wearing heavy clothing as well. No need to worry about overpenetration.

Animal attacks aren't lilmited to bears and cougars,rutting elk,moose and deer are dangerous as well as feral hogs. Don't forget about wolves as well as coyotes and feral dogs.

Many of these encounters will create situations where you will be forced to shoot at odd angles and multiple times.Precise shot placement is the exception rather than the rule here.

For the above reasons I rule out the 9mm,38 special,357 SIG,40 S&W,45 GAP and the 45 ACP.(Don my flameproof suit!) All of the mentioned calibers have a very good record on the street but they just don't do well in this arena.

The 45 ACP has a stellar record as a manstopper since 1911 but I have witnessed it and the 40 underpenetrate repeatedly on game animals. Enough to change my thinking.

This leaves us with the 357 magnum,10mm,41 magnum,44 magnum,45 Colt and the big mags like the 454 and 500 S&W. This listing of calibers will penetrate very well and are available in quality wheelguns and autos.

If you are not in bear country you are well served from the 45 Colt on down in size.You can purchase quality full load ammo for the 10mm from Cabela's and online very easily.Hornady,Buffalo Bore,Double Tap and Texas Ammunition Company all make a full house loading for the 10mm.

The key to reliable self defense is a good bullet. Heavy hardcast and well constructed bullets like the Hornady XTP,Nosler Partition and Speer Gold Dot softpoint are very good choices.

Practice often and get a good carry system. Many people live through animal and human attacks but are maimed for life. I know a rancher that shot a hog with a 38 Special, he hit it six times and he estimated the the hog dies in about 30-45 seconds. That small amount of time was long enough for the hog to cut him badly. He was life flighted,almost bled to death and will never walk with out a cane again.He now carries a 44 magnum and a 30-30 rifle when he is checking fences and cattle.

Think about it a little before you go unarmed or underarmed.
 
I carry a S&W Mod 29 44 mag Trail Boss with some heavy 320 gr hardcast slugs. For ultralight backpacking, an ultralight .357 with jacketed bullets.

DancesWithKnives
 
I carry a Winchester M94 30-30... ;)

I dont carry a sidearm, but can totally agree with you on the 'dont be undergunned' thing. I've been charged by a 1000lb feral bull and had it fall to the ground 10 yards past where we were standing. It was shrugging off 180 grain 30-30 rounds like flies, a handgun, even a 44mag wouldn't have done squat in this real life survival situation. 3 12 gauge slugs brought it down in the nick of time. Never again will I be undergunned. In feral cattle country I carry a Mossberg 535 pump loaded with 8+1 3.25" 12 gauge slugs, will put most anything down in quick order.
 
Just curious what brand of slugs you were shooting? Sounds like pretty good performance.

DancesWithKnives
 
That's a pretty good assessment and sound reasoning snareaman. Carrying for personal defense is always debatable (to some) but I must say that the best defense is remaining alert to your surroundings.

I've only carried my Redhawk .44 (5.5" bbl) a few times where I knew there were bears, but it's pretty much just a range gun as there's little natural threat here in TX unless I’m specifically looking for it. The biggest threats I would be facing would be two-legged predators, feral dogs (a big problem in some areas), feral hogs and cougars. I've ran across cougars twice when hunting (WA state) and they are what I fear the most.

I still most often carry a small Bulldog in .44SPL, 3" or 4" (smith or ruger) in .357, Glock 23 in .40 or even a compact .45. I'm pretty comfortable with all of those considering the threats in my area (although the hogs can be tuff critters!). Since I carry when I backpack, there's always some sacrifice and weight does become an issue. A nice Smith titanium .357 may be in the future with some decent hard cast rounds, but I'm satisfied for now. If I was in big game country that was more prevalent, I would definitely consider more heat/lead.

You also bring up an excellent point on having a good carry system that is quick to access. I need to get a Safepacker for the backpack...I’m fine for our day hikes and woods-bumming, but a full-weight pack limits access without a dedicated chest or hip-belt mounted system. We were on a hike about 6 months ago and stirred up a decent sized sow and about a 8-10 little piglets...the sow took off and the piglets scattered with several charging toward us:eek: Literally, they were very small, but attacks are similar in that they give you no warning (fortunately I had my hiking staff and was able to steer them around me)…it was good refresher on why staying alert is the first step to self defense!

ROCK6
 
For protection against backcountry creatures including bear, wolves, big cats, etc. I have my Tauras Raging Bull .454 Casull that I carry in a bandolier holster.

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For protection against the two legged creatures I love my Glock 17. Although the 9mm doesn't have the stopping power of some of the larger calibers, the weight and magazine capacity, and reliability of the Glock make it my go-to weapon of choice.

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A Ruger GP100, 4 inch barrel, in .357 Mag is a good all around woods gun. Plus you can shoot .38 Spl in it for practice and plinking and some SD situations. If you reload, this cartridge is extremely versatile and can be tailored for many needs.
 
These are the guys...in 3.5"

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I also have to disagree with feral hogs being dangerous game. In my experience they will only charge if injured or they think they have no other choice. If given an escape route, they will take the back door instead of running you over.
 
IMO, the best backwoods gun is the one you normaly CC or shoot the most. Depending on mood, I rotate between my Glock 19 or Beretta 92 Compact in 9mm or my Ruger SP 101 or S&W 15, both with 2" barrels and in 38 Spl. I use the same holster I use when I CC back in the states. I shoot these handguns very well and am confident in using them for any survival senario I might find myself in. As for bear, well I have yet to hear of anyone actually killing one in SD where I live in E. Washington and N. Idaho. Although I have'nt seen cougar or bear killed with my calibers of choise, I have seen lots of insurgents shot with a 9mm, and it seemed to kill them just fine.
 
I agree with you about needing larger calibers for protection against larger game. When I am in woods I might need more then my 45 acp I carry my 4" 460S&W the only thing I don't like about it is that to fire it I need ear protection necessitating wearing my electric muffs (quality electric plugs are too expensive) I don't really mind usually but they can get hot in the summer. I have never fired my 460 without hearing protection and don't intead to as far as I am concered fire of 1 clip of those and you are seriously risking permanant hearing loss
Just some of my thoughts...:)
 
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A .22LR revolver or .357 Mag Revolver is what I carry in the woods from time to time.

Heber
 
Well Snareman, you have quite the analysis going there, and I am not about to flame you, all I can say is, you are not going to get me to give up carrying my .45 ACP Colt.

There is NOTHING I can imagine encountering that it can't handle. Man, cougar, black bear. deer. I don't walk around in Grizzly country, if I did I would take a slug gun or big bore lever.

.45 ACP Cocked and locked. 7 rounds with a spare mag and 20 rds in the pack.

If you feel better with something else, go for it.
 
Usually, when we're out walking the more populated trails, I carry my Sig P6 9mm because I shoot it well and carry it just about everywhere I go. It's also all scratched and beat up so I don't feel bad about getting it dirty and sweaty.

When we go hiking out in the middle of nowhere I carry my 4" S&W Model 66 .357, because I am more comfortable shooting it at longer distances, and I'm a bit more confident in the heavier bullets.

If I didn't have any handguns in my collection, and was going shopping for a hiking sidearm, it would be either a full sized 9mm (Glock 17/Sig P226/XD9/CZ75) or a medium framed .357 (GP100 or S&W Model 65/66/686) loaded with 158gr JSP.
 
I really like my Ruger Super Redhawk 44 mag but its a bit large to get out fast especially in a tussle.. The Super Redhawk was the first handgun I ever owned and have had it since I was 17.. Needless to say I'm pretty familiar with shooting it and how it works. Thats why I picked up this Ruger Alaskan in 454.. Feels the same, but smaller and much more power.
I happened to get a great deal on a bunch of Corbon 360 gr flat nose penetrators doing about 1400 FPS. If your gonna have a bear charging ya, ya better bring all the gun you can handle..Ha!!

Good thing about getting the ammo deal is I can practice with FULL boat loads and get used to the recoil in fast strings.. Then of course its out to the loading bench..;) I should be pretty competant with it by the time I'm out in N. Id tooling around on my ATV in no mans land.
 

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I always have my S&W 340 in .357 mag on my hip when I out and about in the swamps of Florida. My main reason for carrying it is because I can load the first two cylinders with #9 rat shot-shells for snakes and the other four chambers with 158 grain hollow points.
Rarely will I kill a snake but if I have to, I can. The hollow points are for larger critters, either two or four-legged.
 
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