Basic three step knife sharpening video

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I'm still trying to learn freehand and stumbled onto Cliff Stamp's video again. I saw it a few months ago, but I'm thinking of giving it a shot because I'm having trouble. Before I tried his method I wanted to ask if it really works? Is it really as simply as he suggests?

1. Slice into the stone
2. De-stress the edge by quickly swiping it against the stone at a 20 degree angle (Camp knife) until the edge no longer reflects light
3. Few slow passes at 20 degrees like normal
4. Move to the next grit

Do I have the steps correct? Why doesn't angle consistency seem to matter? I'm sure there are better methods out there, but for someone who is having trouble is it worth a shot?
 
I'm still trying to learn freehand and stumbled onto Cliff Stamp's video again. I saw it a few months ago, but I'm thinking of giving it a shot because I'm having trouble. Before I tried his method I wanted to ask if it really works? Is it really as simply as he suggests?
Do I have the steps correct? Why doesn't angle consistency seem to matter? I'm sure there are better methods out there, but for someone who is having trouble is it worth a shot?
Hi
Yes, it is as simple as he suggests,
it really works,
its just regular sharpening,
conceptually very simple,
but like all simple things (sharpening),
it might take some time for your eyes and hands to adjust
to see and connect the dots

if you're having trouble, it can help if you can describe
what kind of knife/steel,
what kind of sharpening stone,
what you're doing
what you think is going wrong

if you do that then we can suggest simple things you can try to overcome, its not hard, its just depends on how much you've used a knife and watched your hands as you sharpen and thought about what you're doing ... if you can drink a glass of water without spilling it you can learn to sharpen, just gotta connect the dots


no, angle consistency doesn't really matter, it just takes longer to form an apex (remove reflection, raise burr) if you don't have consistency

I find it easier to check if i've raised a burr than stop and check for reflection,
because you have to wipe blade and have strong light
... I just want to grind :D


the part you shouldn't worry about as a beginner is checking for reflection, think of that as the ultimate technique, you should concentrate on raising a burr
for first sharpening, concentrate on raising a burr, so you can know what it is, what i looks like, what if feels like , how it catches your nail, then raise a burr on the other side, then cut the burr off and shave :)
then de-stress again by cutting into stone, and sharpen again, this time raising a smaller burr
then do the same knife a third time

Anyway, this video, just like cliffs, might be a bit easier to understand
This video is for that basic sharpening, raise a tiny burr, cut it off at elevated angle, shave how to sharpen a knife - Joe Calton
Joe has also just uploaded some pencil point , knife edge analogy videos that are pretty good

You can see three step method done on one dollar stone ? Cheap sharpening stone - does it work? - stefanwolf88


The steps are close, but no worries, there is a description in the video
Basic three step knife sharpening : destress the edge + shaping + finishing the apex - YouTube
Published on Nov 9, 2012

This is a very short and simple video which shows a few key points of sharpening :

1) Destress the edge by grinding off all weakened metal by cutting into the stone

2) Grind the apex bevel until it stops reflecting light, this is just getting the edge to the right shape. It does not take an overt amount of attention or focus.

3) Finish the apex to the desired grit paying attention to minimize the burr.

To simplify the process the finishing grit was kept at the shaping grit (200 SiC) which leaves an edge with a very aggressive slicing finish but also can easily shave, slice newsprint, and is very close to a true push cut (90 degrees in all three planes) on the newsprint.

In this case when finishing the apex the angle was raised to 15 dps (the bevel was shaped at 10 dps). The increase in angle is just to add durability to the edge as this is used very roughly in the kitchen by friends and family, i.e. it will scrape out pots and the like, it isn't restricted to just cutting.

In order to get to a true 90 push cut on the newsprint all that has to be done is be a little more careful on the final finishing which means :

1) Clean the stone

2) Reduce force to the absolute minimum (5-10 grams)

3) Go very slow with short travel on the stone.

4) Change the presentation angle of the knife to the stone to make the scratch patterns cross over.

To maximize the cutting ability the 15 dps bevel would also be minimized to a true micro-bevel by back sharpening at 10 dps.


As noted in the video, a few other details :

1) The benchstone used is extremely cheap and thus it cuts slow, loads easily and is conditioned with a 200 grit SiC waterstone to give it some fast cutting swarf. Without this step the time would be increased ten fold on the benchstone it cuts that slowly.

2) Grinding to form a significant burr stresses the edge heavily and leads to premature failure of the knife edge, especially if it is done with very coarse stones. The edge should only be shaped until it forms an apex, no further. The point of sharpening is to minimize a burr, the best way to do that is not form a large one in the first place.

This is the same process used on any style of knife, machete or axe, the only thing that changes are the grits used based on what is desired and the angles used in the shaping stage. If the knife is used more for push cutting then higher cutting ability and edge retention will be produced with a finer polish and as less durability is required the edge can be set to a lower angle.

This technique was developed to fill the goal of being able to sharpen knives for friends in two minutes or less even though they may come very dull and damaged. By starting with the right abrasive for the shaping stage even very dull knives can be brought back to life very quickly. The extra step to get a true push cut finish will take an extra 30-60 seconds on the stone using the above four techniques.

Discussion : http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/forum/read.php?7,6571

Speaking of which, a more detailed/advanced version of the steps
 
I'm still trying to learn freehand and stumbled onto Cliff Stamp's video again. I saw it a few months ago, but I'm thinking of giving it a shot because I'm having trouble. Before I tried his method I wanted to ask if it really works? Is it really as simply as he suggests?

1. Slice into the stone
2. De-stress the edge by quickly swiping it against the stone at a 20 degree angle (Camp knife) until the edge no longer reflects light
3. Few slow passes at 20 degrees like normal
4. Move to the next grit

Do I have the steps correct? Why doesn't angle consistency seem to matter? I'm sure there are better methods out there, but for someone who is having trouble is it worth a shot?

You can try it and then have a reference point for further discussion. Yes, angle control is important, as is the amount of force you use on the stones, as is actually grinding all the way to the edge. I highly advise you to not learn on a knife you value, you will likely have plenty more questions. There are a million videos out there, aside from the overall philosophy, study exactly how various folk actually hold the tool in question, and how they mechanically move it across the abrasive as these two are critical to holding steady angles. Murray Carter is also a great resource. The video I made for the sharpening block I sell is also a good reference for sharpening, start at about minute 4 and you'll skip the description of the block and go right to hand sharpening tips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dYZe5uGoQA
 
I've looked at the video just now. if Cliff says angle consistency isn't important, I think it's because if you look at the angle he's using, he's using a very acute angle. Pretty much what that other guy who wrote the bible of knife sharpening advocates -- grind off the wild life engraving decoration on your knife.

So if you're using a very small angle as a target, the margin of error from your hand isn't going to matter too much if you concentrate on targeting the smallest angle possible.
 
Pretty much what that other guy who wrote the bible of knife sharpening advocates -- grind off the wild life engraving decoration on your knife.

John Juranich. :) I didn't learn much from his book, but I always liked that quote: Grind off the pretty picture on the side of the blade.

On the other hand, Juranich seems to agree with Murray Carter: Grind the knife as thin as you possibly can. Those two guys share almost nothing in common except for their overall approach to sharpening. Neither care about angles. Both say to thin it out like crazy, then raise up a hair (one coin height or two) and apply the final edge. Both advocate a very coarse stone, a very fine stone, and nothing else. Neither cares much about the grit rating of either of the stones. Hmm, maybe I should listen to these guys more...

So if you're using a very small angle as a target, the margin of error from your hand isn't going to matter too much if you concentrate on targeting the smallest angle possible.

I think I agree with that reasoning.

Brian.
 
I'm still trying to learn freehand and stumbled onto Cliff Stamp's video again. I saw it a few months ago, but I'm thinking of giving it a shot because I'm having trouble. Before I tried his method I wanted to ask if it really works? Is it really as simply as he suggests?

1. Slice into the stone
2. De-stress the edge by quickly swiping it against the stone at a 20 degree angle (Camp knife) until the edge no longer reflects light
3. Few slow passes at 20 degrees like normal
4. Move to the next grit

Do I have the steps correct? Why doesn't angle consistency seem to matter? I'm sure there are better methods out there, but for someone who is having trouble is it worth a shot?

Your steps are correct, just some terminology is off a bit. Slicing into the stone is destressing the edge. Swiping it against the stone is shaping the edge. Then 2 or 3 light passes at a significantly higher angle to remove any burr that may have formed. Then hone the edge with very light passes at a slightly greater angle than the shaping/swiping stage. Shaping is usually done with a coarse stone and deburring and honing with a finer stone. I use a Norton course/fine combo stone.

Angle consistency does matter, but not as much as a lot of people think. Watch the video again and notice how much the hand holding the stone moves around. There is still enough angle control to sharpen.
 
Your steps are correct, just some terminology is off a bit. Slicing into the stone is destressing the edge. Swiping it against the stone is shaping the edge. Then 2 or 3 light passes at a significantly higher angle to remove any burr that may have formed. Then hone the edge with very light passes at a slightly greater angle than the shaping/swiping stage. Shaping is usually done with a coarse stone and deburring and honing with a finer stone. I use a Norton course/fine combo stone.

Angle consistency does matter, but not as much as a lot of people think. Watch the video again and notice how much the hand holding the stone moves around. There is still enough angle control to sharpen.

This confused me a bit. I understand the destressing the edge. If my end result is 20 degrees on both sides what am I using to shape it? What angle would I use to remove burrs and what angle am I using to hone?
 
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Shaping can be anything from 10 to 19 degrees. Deburring would be between 30 and 40 degrees. Honing would be the desired angle of 20. Notice there is a lot of room for error. Sharpening like in the video has some variability, especially compared to jigged systems.
 
Yes, but 19 would barely be noticeable. I fear I put numbers to something that doesn't need them. You can shape and try to match the angle that you have now. Then deburring at roughly double that angle. Finally, hone at the same or slightly higher angle that you shaped at. Repeat this last step to as fine a finish as desired.
 
Thank you for your help! I was just trying to have a rough idea. I just wanted to make sure I didn't take too much metal off.
 
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