Belt sander static electricity problem

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I get a fair amount of static build up while I'm grinding and sharpening. It always seems to discharge exactly when I'm trying to concentrate on an organic curve or something precise. Anyone know how to fix this annoying and somewhat painful problem? I've heard grounding the table before. Anyone know the easiest way to ground it or have an even better solution? Thanks guys.
 
i put a rubber mat down and i wear tennis shoes which helps. i was getting shocked so bad from static one day i put a ground wire around my ankle that is used for working on computers. my sander is mounted on a wood base so i dont think grounding it would help but you might try.
 
It may be the belt itself that's holding the static charge. If it's got a synthetic backing, that's one possible contributing factor (synthetic materials hold a charge more easily than 'natural' materials). One way to eliminate that as a cause would be to mount a belt that's got a different backing (like cotton canvas/cloth). And, if the wheels that drive the belt are synthetic (rubber, or similar material), they will insulate the belt from the sander's chassis and prevent it from bleeding off the charge (until you touch it, if you're grounded). Grounding the sander's chassis might not solve the problem by itself, unless there's a discharge path from the belt to the chassis. This might be solved by using a small piece of wire or metallic 'brush', grounded to the chassis at one end, to ride against the spinning belt and give it a discharge path.

All of this depends upon using a chassis that's properly grounded, of course (with a 3-prong electrical plug).
 
And, if the wheels that drive the belt are synthetic (rubber, or similar material), they will insulate the belt from the sander's chassis and prevent it from bleeding off the charge (until you touch it, if you're grounded).

There's still some charge on the chassis induced by the charge on the belt. I think that's what happens on mine when I can touch the blade to the chassis and get a shock.
 
There's still some charge on the chassis induced by the charge on the belt. I think that's what happens on mine when I can touch the blade to the chassis and get a shock.

That sounds like maybe your sander's chassis isn't grounded effectively. If it were, it shouldn't hold a charge. AND, if this is the case, it's a serious safety hazard anyway. If there's an electrical short malfunction with your grinder, it has no proper shunt to ground (meaning current will flow through YOU, if you touch something that is grounded).

The other possibility is that the charge is being built up on YOU (from contact with the belt & blade), and discharging through your grinder's chassis. If so, using a 'grounding strap' (like those used in the electronics manufacturing & repair industry) might be a solution. It's basically a wire/cord, with some electrical resistance built into it (to allow discharge of static, but without allowing current flow to be dangerously excessive). The grounding strap comes with a wristband at one end (for you), and either a clip or screw-down attachment at the other end, which can be connected to a known good ground.

Here are a couple of older threads on the same topic:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690616

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6109033
 
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I've been getting jolted since I added the glass to the platen of my 2x42. I've tried a ground wire from the guard to ground but it did not work. I've been advised to spray the belt w/static guard. It's not dangerous but it can be a distraction.
 
I have had the same problem. I redid the ground inside the sander and made a good connection to the frame... no real change. I then attached a small piece of wire to the frame so that it drug over the belt, that helped quite a bit. The ultimate fix was to just start sharpening barefoot so the static is constantly dissipated to the floor.

One note, I would not recommend adding a conductive path between you and the frame of the grinder. A static build-up causing a shock is one thing, a motor malfunction or something going through the ground wire to you is another.
 
The ultimate fix was to just start sharpening barefoot so the static is constantly dissipated to the floor.

One note, I would not recommend adding a conductive path between you and the frame of the grinder. A static build-up causing a shock is one thing, a motor malfunction or something going through the ground wire to you is another.

FYI, the 'grounding straps' used for ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) purposes aren't just a simple wire. They're made with high resistance (like a megohm or more) built in. That's in order to allow a VERY SMALL (that's SAFE) static discharge current to flow between you and the properly grounded equipment. In an industrial setting, it's also expected that this would be used in conjunction with non-conductive shoes and/or an ESD-safe floor mat. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

(Wiki article here, for 'Antistatic wrist strap')

Using a proper ESD grounding strap is MUCH, MUCH safer than operating electrical equipment in your bare feet on a bare floor. If the ground connection (to the AC outlet) is ever broken on your grinder, AC voltage will end up on the chassis. You touch the chassis, and that AC current is going to go through YOU (and your bare feet) directly to the floor. Working that way in an OSHA-regulated business would be considered a major safety violation. For good reason.
 
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Ah ok, I didn't know that about the static bands. I still don't feel that much "un-safer" in bare feet than shoes as I wouldn't grab a live AC line whether I had shoes on or not. Is there that much of a difference in the chances of being electrocuted by 120VAC if you are wearing shoes vs not? Just asking because even though OSHA has nothing to do with what I do at my house I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 
Ah ok, I didn't know that about the static bands. I still don't feel that much "un-safer" in bare feet than shoes as I wouldn't grab a live AC line whether I had shoes on or not. Is there that much of a difference in the chances of being electrocuted by 120VAC if you are wearing shoes vs not? Just asking because even though OSHA has nothing to do with what I do at my house I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Shoes with rubber soles make a HUGE difference. The rubber is an insulator, and will severely limit how much current can flow (through your feet to the floor). Many people, over many years, have been electrocuted in situations just like you've described. And it's even more dangerous if you add a little moisture to the situation (wet floor, sweat).

Also, you don't necessarily have to 'grab an AC line' to get shocked. I've worked as an electronics technician for 18+ years, and I've repaired equipment which had faulty grounding. In those situations, the equipment's ground connection had become severed/disconnected (in the power cord, to the large, 3rd prong of the plug - that's the ground wire). This results in AC voltage from the equipment's power supply being present on the equipment chassis/frame. If you touch that 'live' chassis with one hand, and come into contact with anything else that's grounded (other equipment, metal workbench, the concrete floor, etc.), you've created a current path through your body. It's very dangerous. It's easy to eliminate the floor as a grounding hazard, by wearing rubber-soled shoes and making sure the floor is DRY.

The thing to remember about electricity is, it only takes about 1/10 of an ampere of current flow to stop/interrupt your heartbeat. The one 'good' thing about static electricity is (aside from lightning), even though the VOLTAGE is very high, the actual current flow in that situation is VERY small, for a VERY BRIEF instant in time (maybe only a few thousandths of a second, if that). That's why a typical static shock is uncomfortable, but generally not a big hazard to your body. An AC shock, however, especially at 120VAC, will generate enough current flow, for a much longer time period (perhaps as long as you remain in contact with it, if a breaker doesn't trip and shut it off). This is why you absolutely must make sure that you're equipment is properly grounded, and that YOU aren't directly grounded while touching the equipment.

Stay safe. If you have doubts about whether your equipment & shop is electrically safe, talk to an electrician to be sure. ;):thumbup:
 
The static is being built form the belt contacting the blade, take off your shoe's so you are bare foot on the ground. Electricity is grounded to earth ground, the charge will flow through you and into the ground without you getting shocked. To insulate yourself from the ground means you will only get shocked more.

The earth ground can be the confusing part to this though, the static is being built at the point of contact and is looking for its shortest path to ground. The belt is creating the positive and you are the negative, the resistance of you wearing shoes and not being grounded causes the spark to jump to you (the negative) and because you are not touching ground the shock dissipates into your body instead of flowing to the ground.
 
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The static is being built form the belt contacting the blade, take off your shoe's so you are bare foot on the ground. Electricity is grounded to earth ground, the charge will flow through you and into the ground without you getting shocked. To insulate yourself from the ground means you will only get shocked more.

If static were the ONLY issue, this wouldn't be a problem. But, your statement that 'electricity is grounded to earth ground', implies that there will never be an electrical malfunction (specifically, loss of electrical grounding to the equipment). As soon as that happens, AC voltage is on the chassis (that's the DEADLY KIND, not the mildly irritating static). You touch it, and you're grounded to the floor, you DIE. It happens all the time. Search on it, read about it.

Fixing a minor static issue, by deliberately exposing oneself to REAL DEADLY ELECTRICAL HAZARDS (120 VAC current through bare feet on grounded floor), is incredibly irresponsible. There's a reason why industry safety regs require people to wear rubber-soled shoes while operating electrical equipment. Those safety regs (like most others) are written in blood.

There are MUCH SIMPLER (and decades proven) ways to fix a static issue, without creating a much larger hazard. We're talking about TWO kinds of electricity here. A proper fix implies fixing the one (static, a minor nuisance), without completely exposing oneself to the other, DEADLY one.
 
If static were the ONLY issue, this wouldn't be a problem. But, your statement that 'electricity is grounded to earth ground', implies that there will never be an electrical malfunction (specifically, loss of electrical grounding to the equipment). As soon as that happens, AC voltage is on the chassis (that's the DEADLY KIND, not the mildly irritating static). You touch it, and you're grounded to the floor, you DIE. It happens all the time. Search on it, read about it.

That's right. In a 3-prong plug, the bottom prong is supposed to be earth ground. If there is a problem with the wiring in the device, the chassis will be able to shock you (i.e. complete a circuit between AC source and the ground through YOU), so ground is there for the current to pass instead should this malfunction occur (electrical current takes the path of least resistance, and a wire straight to ground has less resistance than you to ground.)

And I think it has been said already that if charge is building up on your chassis, then your ground wire is not properly connected, so you shouldn't make a conducting path between the device and earth ground using your body.
 
Static from the belt and "what if" the motor had a problem are two different subjects. This static build up is common and something I get hit by every time I use my sander while wearing shoes.

The fabric belt separates the machine from you, your shoes separate you from the ground. When grinding the positive electrons built on the edge of the knife travel into your body and continue to build as you act like a CAP. When you get close enough too the negatively charged/grounded metal body of the grinder the postitve charge built up in your body discharges to the body of the grinder... static shock.

If you take off your shoes the static charge traveles directly through your body instantly dissipating into the earth.
 
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