Belt selection; 1" X 42" ??? UPDATE: Bummed

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I should be receiving my Kalamazoo 1SM 1" X 42" Belt Sander in about a couple weeks and I need a little insight on belt selection. Sorry,...tried to do a search but came up short.

1. What brands do you guys recommend for belts and where is the best site to order them?

2. What grit progression do you guys go through to sharpen knives giving it a specific type of edge?

3. If you were to sharpen as a business, what grit progression would you go through that's acceptable; let's say for kitchen knives?

4. What grit progression would you go through for thick edged machetes or cleavers (choppers)?

5. What's the best leather belt and polishing compound to get?

6. What brands of belts are the best and what are the other cheaper alternatives with acceptable quality?
 
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Google "Lee Valley"...they have a good assortment of belts meant for sharpening.
 
I have had the 1x42" Kalamazoo for years. I buy from a local machine supply when I can. I have found that Pops Knife Supply sell quality belts and is great to deal with. He just dropped the price on shipping, in the invoice, because I only ordered 10 belts and the package was light. He should have most of your needs. Stay away from low price belts as they break at the seam.
 
Thanks. I've ordered from Lee Valley before but not belts. I will checkout Pop's Knife Supply.
 
I checked Pop's Knives and Supplies. They only have the Klingspor 1" x 42" CS 310X wt, no 3M 1" x 42" belts. Also, Lee Valley has the Trizacts but I don't see the Gator structured abrasive belts that I hear mentioned.
 
At Pops Knife Supply, right below the picture of the belt you can select the grits you want. He shows 60 grit up to 600. Use the pull down. These belts are x-weight which is what you want. The backing is stiffer. Good quality belts. Use the link below.
Ron

http://popsupply.bizhosting.com/klingspor_1x42_cs_310.html

The next link is for a leather belt

http://popsupply.bizhosting.com/surgi_sharp_leather_sharpening_belts.html

The next link for Matchless buffing compounds

http://popsupply.bizhosting.com/matchless_buffing_compounds.html
 
I found everything I needed from Pop's Knives and Supply in regards to the Klingspor CS310X belts, Matchless Green buffing compound and SurgiSharp leather belt. I had everything in my cart last night but the checkout process wouldn't go through. I'll try again. I looked at Trugrit but I only see the Klingspor CS310X in 120, 400 and 600 grit.
 
The Kalamazoo 1x42 is awesome, love mine. I've seen this question a few times, so I'll just C&P in the same response I've used before (most of which was excellent advice given to me when *I* started, by Doug Rising). The only question you've asked there that's not answered, I think, is that I sharpen edge-down, and usually just about a half-inch above the platen. Stropping MUST be done edge-down, of course. Edge-up would catch instantly, throw the knife from your hand, and destroy the leather belt.

To start out with I will give you the same advice I received from Doug Rising when I started out. I would probably get some inexpensive grit belts. EconAbrasives has very good deals, I would probably purchase two each of 120, 220, 320 and 400 grit, then add a 15u and 9u 3M micron-graded belt. Also, two SurgiSharp leather belts, and a pound bar each of their green Ultra Fine and white Extra Fine buffing compounds. That will get you started with a fairly minimal investment, and will easily put VERY good edges on your blades. Once you're comfortable with the belt and have decided that you're going to keep that as your sharpening method, then talk to Doug, and let him guide you down the rabbit hole of the Trizact family. They're really superb belts, and are well worth the higher price tag once you are comfortable with sharpening on your new tool.

I personally have been sharpening on the belt for only six months or so now(This is a bit dated, I'm several years in now), and am still learning a lot with every knife I do. I just know I won't be going back any time soon, certainly not for working edges!

If you're interested: My current line-up runs a Norton Blaze ceramic 120-grit belt if the knife needs a little re-profiling, chips removed or a tip reground, then Trizacts in A65, A20, A16, A6 and A3, then the same two SurgiSharp leather belts I started out with, and the Econ compounds. Depends on what I'm doing, but frequently for working knives I will use the 120, then the A65 and A16, then the leather. I've actually run with a 120/A20/Leather set a couple times for fairly good results, but your mileage will vary with your style, and what kind of edge you decide you need.

I would HIGHLY suggest just going and grabbing some cheap old kitchen knives from a second-hand store or goodwill to practice on, that way if you get a little grind-happy and take off a tip while you're learning, it's no biggie.

General tips:

1. Keep it cool! If you can't pinch the edge tightly in your fingers as soon as it comes off the belt, you're getting a tad warm and it's time to dip the blade.

2. Only take the point HALFWAY across the belt. If you drag the point all the way across, you can take it right off the knife in an instant.

3. Light pressure! The belt is doing the work, your job is just to guide the edge along it.

4. Keep the edge square to the belt. You always want the belt moving so that the grit is passing perpendicular to the edge. That means as the belly and tip roll up toward the spine, you will need to lift the handle to keep the edge parallel with the floor.

5. Don't stress! The belt is a very instinctive way to sharpen, and convex edges are quite forgiving. Don't worry about angles too much, it's very easy to see if you're getting things even by looking at how far the spine and belt are apart.


EDIT: For meat slicing, your best bet might be to stop at a 220 grit belt, and just use the green on leather to strop off the burr. A little bit of bite left in your edge can make the slice through tissue a lot smoother. The downside is that it dulls more rapidly than a highly-polished edge, but if you've got the belt right there, a new edge takes about 90 seconds.
 
Thanks Komitadjie. That's some good info you posted. I remember you posting this somewhere else before but couldn't find it. I've been sharpening on the WorkSharp WSKTS mini belt sander freehand for about a couple years now and got pretty good at it and I don't round off the tips anymore...lol. I'm just trying to order from one company to save on shipping cost.
 
Yeah, I've posted it a few different places. :)

You can get everything mentioned for the basic setup from Econ, they've got the best prices on the SurgiSharp leather belts that I've found so far.

The WorkSharp is a good little unit! Hard to beat for portability if you want a powered sharpener.
 
I just got my Kalamazoo 1SM belt sander. I'm a little bummed. There was no packing material at all in the box and the platen got bent and it was a little scratched up. There was also no ply board attached to it like I have seen posted by others.

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My use of belt grinders is very limited, but the last thing I'd want on my new toy (assuming you'll use it) is a bent platen.

Maybe they could drop ship you a straight one?
 
Unless my eyes deceive me, that's the tool rest, not the platen.
The platen is located behind the belt to back it. The platen will give you
a Vee edge and without the platen, a convex edge.
Bill
 
Unless my eyes deceive me, that's the tool rest, not the platen.
The platen is located behind the belt to back it. The platen will give you
a Vee edge and without the platen, a convex edge.
Bill

Bill's right of course.

I didn't even look at the pics.

I still might ask for a replacement though.
 
My bad. I thought the tool rest was called the platen. Damn newbies!!! I might try and straighten it out but if doesn't work out well, I'll ask for a replacement.
 
It is a shame that a new tool gets to you damaged in shipping. I would be pi@#*, but would notify the shipper to let them know about the shipping damage. Maybe they can modify their packaging for future orders with this knowledge. From the looks of the photo, it looks to me like you can remove the Tool rest and straighten it out and remount with no harm done. I would still ask the shipper for a replacement tool rest just in case the metal gets fatigued upon removal and straightening out. I would think it is the least they can do in response to the other cosmetic damage done. Good luck and let us know about their customer service response.

Blessings,

Omar
 
Have a question for you guys.
Is there a better, aftermarket ?, platen available for the Kalamazoo 1x42 that ya'll know about?

Any new belts or input would be appreciated too?
Sharpening and light grinding use.
Thanks,
Dozier
 
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