Benchmade 3v

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mo2, May 14, 2019.

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  1. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    :rolleyes: Think figurative ! ;)
     
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  2. DocJD

    DocJD

    Jan 29, 2016
    :) I wouldn't worry too much about that ! At least resulting from anything in this thread . Maybe from high prices , poor QC and boneheaded political grandstanding ? :rolleyes:
     
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  3. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    https://www.crucible.com/pdfs/SelectorKnifePocketRotatedCrucibleLLC.pdf
    seems to me crucible would suggest adding hardness or increase blade thickness at the edge of a bugout. Not sure why they would think that lower hardness would be best for such a thin knife blade? link for context of the quote.

    This is in direct comment to Benchmade saying...
     
  4. Whitedog

    Whitedog

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    Dec 30, 2005
    Phd. in BS will be awarded at 3 PM at the Wiggle IN Waddle Out lounge.
     
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  5. ScooterG

    ScooterG You mean Ireland? Yeah, it’s mine. Gold Member

    Mar 15, 2016
    I’ll save you a front row seat :D
     
  6. Banter 247

    Banter 247

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    Feb 22, 2019
    Who’s being honored?
     
  7. tomhosang

    tomhosang Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 17, 2017
    Here's the problem with it. Yes, 99% of people will never be able to tell the difference. I can tell you from personal experience that my Anthem feels soft and blunts extremely quickly for 20CV. The real problem is manufacturers using a steel like 3V because it's hot right now. They know that people will buy it because of its properties. Heat treating it low to "enhance toughness and ease of sharpening" negates any gain you'd get from those properties. It's great that the steel performs well for you. That's all that matters. It's personal preference. All we're saying is that we want something that's worth the premium we pay for these upgraded steels. I bet if you tested your 3v for edge retention, you'd get vg-10 range performance. A lot of the Spydercos that have been tested have had good or even great heat treats. They seem more concerned with it than others.
     
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  8. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    And that is exactly the point, sir. Why pay for what you’re not getting. If you can or cannot tell. All of us are paying the premium.
     
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  9. Dallas T

    Dallas T Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2013
    I get it! Sorry i had just had a moment and vented. No reason not being civil, I usually keep my cool better than that! Good holiday wknd chaps!!
    Hopefully some better clarity will come out of it.
     
  10. Fixall

    Fixall Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2018
    Nick Shabazz was pretty underwhelmed by the heat treatment on the Bailout as well. He talks about it 6 minutes in.

     
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  11. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Basic Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    That's not the real problem. The real problem is an ignorant, hype-sensitive consumer base. As near as I can tell from all the info in this thread, BM has been more or less open about their heat treat numbers. Disregarding their debatable answer as to why, they have provided the information for buyers to review and choose.

    Unfortunately, so many in the knife community are so over-obsessed with a steel's nomenclature and what cool kid says it's the best, that it leads to this kind of thing. I think even the makers such as Spyderco who have a good reputation of proper heat treats for steels are largely ridiculous in sub-four inch folding pocket knives. Most of it is unnecessary. It just is. But it's cool or collectors/enthusiasts just want it or whatever. That's great. So long as the buyer understands what it is all about and what they are getting and are cool with it.

    This should all be about educating the consumer not trashing on any given maker or the steels themselves.

    @tomhosang I'm not saying you were doing that at all. Just used your quote to highlight a point.

    As I said earlier in this thread, I think it is awesome people are doing this kind of testing. No one should be against it.

    :)
     
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  12. `br4dz-

    `br4dz- Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jan 18, 2016
    More of this kind of testing needs done across all brands. Companies need to be held accountable for their claims and spec sheets, especially with how much competition is out there right now. Benchmade has been on my list of do not buys for many years now, and they just seem to keep getting worse.

    3V should never be on a thin plastic knife like this is the first place. They had something going with the bugout (even though I'd never buy one), and for whatever reason instead of doubling down, they screwed the pooch on heat treat, and overall design (as talked about in Shabazz's video).
     
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  13. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1

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    Dec 31, 2011
    It has been. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OepNr_D4lqbdTFqdqWl1rmAd4bOzPzJe6J0iEWrdJGU/htmlview

    Wonder where the source of that info is/was...hahaha!
     
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  14. Yo Mama

    Yo Mama

    Sep 25, 2011
    Nope Cray, but nice try again saying things I never said.
     
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  15. Banter 247

    Banter 247

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    Feb 22, 2019
    Well reasoned and expressed.

    I’m in agreement, and made a video approaching it from the consumer side. I very much appreciate that your attitude is one of solution focus instead of attacking Benchmade. I see this as a two-sided issue, with BM making a miss on their end, and a lot of consumers also making avoidable mistakes.

    FWIW, in conversations with everyone in the steel chat @Alchemy1 and I are in, the consensus is “they screwed up on this one”, as opposed to being anti-BM or anything close to it. In fact, I think we’re unanimous fans of the Bugout and Super Freek, among others.

    I think the best case scenario is all involved parties recognizing and owning their opportunities to do better going forward.
     
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  16. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    So you didn't say this:
    Seems to me you are accusing benchmade of selling pot metal rather than 3v. Or are you saying I have changed what you actually said?

    If the topic is to be taken seriously then your discussion points should be made seriously.
     
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  17. sliceofaloha

    sliceofaloha Gold Member Gold Member

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    Oct 4, 2018
    Ouch
     
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  18. 357snubnose

    357snubnose Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jul 1, 2013
    Yeah that was a brutal video.
     
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  19. Banter 247

    Banter 247

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    Feb 22, 2019


    Not safe for work.
     
  20. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Bullshit review all to common these days. He cut a couple cardboard boxes and read a bunch of stuff on the internet.

    Actually carry and use the knife if you are going to review the thing.

    What is the point otherwise?

    Edit: and I generally like his reviews but given the controversy he mentions, he should include more review.
     
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