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Benchmade 3v

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mo2, May 14, 2019.

  1. Carlito86

    Carlito86

    65
    Apr 28, 2017
    Very very disappointing. What Is the point finally? Getting customer disappointed? And for what? Gaining another 2usd because It Is easyer to grind or cheaper? At the risk of loosing customer? Who Is the genius?
     
  2. dirc

    dirc

    Jan 31, 2018
    this is a common problem in ALL businesses around the world - a bean counter decides they can save a few pennies by cutting corners and convinces mgmt to do it, since they can use the extra $ to pay themselves bonuses... it never works out well

    it's literally part of what ruined American car dominance in the 70s... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11276949-car-guys-vs-bean-counters
     
  3. kniferbro

    kniferbro

    Jan 22, 2011
    Happens on the Spyderco forum all the time.
     
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  4. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    I have seen this comment and I’ve tried to think it through and I can’t seem to understand the premise. Yes, if you want a pocket clip to be in a different place, real carbon fiber instead of “composite”, DLC coating, I totally get you. Those are cosmetic issues.

    In this case, specifically, we’re talking about steel performances or lack thereof and the reasons why it is not, in Benchmade’s own words from their 3v chart, holding a “good” edge. What good is a knife if it’s not sharp? Is that redesigning or asking for a tool to serve its purpose?

    That’s like me buying a Honda Civic being promised 36MPG and once I start driving it I’m only getting 25MPG. If I go back to the dealership and complain am I trying to overstep all of the engineers? I don’t think so. I think I’m asking to get what I thought I was buying.

    Am I missing something?
     
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  5. dano

    dano

    Oct 3, 1998
    Maybe Benchmade wanted the hardness lower...Or it's just more steel-of-the-week nonsense and marketing ploys...
     
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  6. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Well, we don't know. It could be they just used the puukko heat treatment on a dramatically thinner blade and assumed it would work just as good.

    Maybe it's flavor of the week.

    Maybe it costs more to create a new profile for 3v folders and run the Puukkos separately through the ht process than the folders.

    Maybe they didn't test them as well as they thought or had some random numskull test them and get poor feedback from them.

    Maybe all the above. Maybe something not listed.

    I know that @DeadboxHero tested the puukoo then reground it thinner and tested it again and it showed to be way to rolley Polley imho. He's got vids on his yt if you want to watch them in detail with his comments. I'll attempt to embed them later.
     
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  7. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    Well, that’s all bad and kind of what I’m getting at. We’ve already established that such a low HRC may allow the knife to bend, but that’s at the cost of edge stability and wear resistance. If the marketing says one thing and the product does another that’s also bad.
     
  8. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    Yup, it’s all speculation and that’s why @Benchmade needs to chime in.
     
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  9. Twindog

    Twindog Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 6, 2004

    I think your two cents is right on.

    But in addition to being too soft, a range of 55-58 Rc is too wide. What is it -- 55, 56, 57 or 58? Or it could be 54.6 or 58.5. That span of hardness covers a big spread in performance. I wouldn't buy a knife with that large a hardness range. How would I know what I'm getting?
     
  10. `br4dz-

    `br4dz- Gold Member Gold Member

    913
    Jan 18, 2016
  11. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Yea the people who make those charts are not smart. It happens alot.
    https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/09/03/ranking-the-steel-ranking-articles/

    And from the sound of it, they don't know that m390, 20cv and 204p are the same composition. And it confuses there customers. Maybe they heat treated them differently, but why. Such drastic differences in those charts for being the same steel composition.
     
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  12. abbazaba

    abbazaba Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 30, 2015
    Where is my M4 Bugout?

    :D

    I'll show myself out.
     
  13. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

    868
    Apr 6, 2017
    Did you post anything on Benchmade's subforum?
     
  14. Velitrius

    Velitrius Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Well, you are kind of missing something...

    Benchmade promised you a certain hardness, and they delivered it. You just happen to be dissatisfied with it.

    Be closer to say it would be like Honda said "Here is a Civic, it'll get 25MPG", and you stating that with a couple simple tweaks that the actual petroleum supplier recommends, they can get 36MPG. So why the hell aren't they giving us a 36MPG vehicle for our money?

    I see where you are going with this, and it's a valid point. I am sincerely interested in why BM selected the hardness as well.

    It wouldn't keep me from buying this piece. The hardness would be fine for my uses for such a knife.
     
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  15. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    I had no clue what the hardness was going to be when I bought the knife. I don’t own a catalog and I don’t look for a random chart to show the hardness for a specific product. I look at the product page. The product page sold me a tool for “professionals” without an HRC listing. I haven’t looked, but I’ve been told that BHQ’s listing had the range higher with it going into the low 60’s.

    You hit the nail on the head though. We need @Benchmade to reply. How many tags is that just on BF?
     
  16. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    No, I’ll be fully transparent. I do not frequent BF outside of the traditional and sales sections. The reason for that was made clear from the guy with the “idiot” comment. I never intended to bring this over here. The OP created this dialog on BF.

    I have emailed them, tagged them in numerous places, commented on their own IG posts, replied to BM’s posts that I’ve been tagged to, other people have DM’d them, I’ve seen screenshots of them acknowledging they know about this, tagged them here 4-5 times. I’m not hiding this in any way.
     
  17. marrenmiller

    marrenmiller Basic Member Basic Member

    868
    Apr 6, 2017
    That's fine, but if you actually want an answer you should post it on their forum rather than tag their moderator. They have a design engineer for Benchmade post frequently in their own forum and he would probably be the one who would answer for this.
     
  18. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    I literally have a screenshot of them saying they know and are about to respond. I’m the customer. I don’t have to chase them down. Especially when I know for 100% that they know.
     
  19. mrfields

    mrfields

    92
    Jun 30, 2017
    if you go to the benchmade company forum you can talk to the gentleman who designed both the bugout and the bailout. jason is the primary moderator over there. he may have more insight into why it was done the way it was.
     
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  20. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

    882
    Dec 31, 2011
    This isn’t my post. Somehow I’ve become the focus of the post, but the OP was presenting all of the info in a condensed form that shows the Bailout/Benchmade’s 3v isn’t holding a “good” edge as Benchmade claims. I know they’re aware of my concerns. They, for whatever reason(s), have chosen not to reply. If a rep from the company responded that they know about my concerns and we’re going to reply, I’m sure they contacted the gentleman you speak of.

    As I’ve also mentioned on IG, companies literally pay people to do 1 job, monitor social media. There is no way that BM doesn’t know about a 5 page thread on a forum they are members of. We really need to use logic and reason when thinking about these things.
     
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