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Benchmade 3v

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mo2, May 14, 2019.

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  1. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 31, 2011
    I really enjoyed your post. Very eloquent and should be descriptive enough to explain my intent and scope. This is not a Benchmade thing. This is part of a very large conversation that has been growing and getting louder. These are the type of exchanges we need to be having. Bravo, sir.
     
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  2. kniferbro

    kniferbro

    Jan 22, 2011
    "I don't like the information presented so I will attack the source" :rolleyes:
     
  3. Chris*33

    Chris*33 Gold Member Basic Member Gold Member

    192
    Jan 16, 2017
    Excellent point, well said :thumbsup:
    Only marketing matters!
     
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  4. Rasmus80

    Rasmus80

    449
    Sep 21, 2011
    I certainly does not expect him to agree with me, and my opinion is not a universal truth. Sadly.
    On my part, I am just trying to shine a different light on the matter.

    Oh, and I am not of the opinion, that this thread should be closed.
    In fact, for the most part, this has been a very constructive discussion.
     
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  5. Banter 247

    Banter 247

    374
    Feb 22, 2019
    Given the shape of conversation to this point, it seems likely that the conclusion of the conversation is going to look like Benchmade not responding, and everyone going about their lives, armed with whatever they take away from this conversation.

    Here are some things that I hope people take away.

    1. Throwing dollars at steels “because super” is frequently a waste of money. If you’re interested in buying performance, do a bit of digging around when an announcement is made, before throwing money at it.

    2. Understand that there are points of diminishing returns, and zero returns, when it comes to blade properties. For example, if you have zero corrosion with S30V, then buying M390 to get “better corrosion resistance”, is a zero benefit buy. While technically capable of greater resistance, it’s returning no improvement in this way as compared to a current state of zero corrosion. Toughness is not a property that makes sense to pursue to extreme levels in a folder, and 3V, properly heat treated, at 60hrc, is capable of delivering toughness into the range of zero return for the dollar. There is no end user benefit to running it low. In contrast, there is a big drop in edge holding performance.

    3. When a conversation like this arises, a question to ask is, “is there value to be mined here?” In this case, the replies to the thread have left it clear that there are a lot of opportunities for people to learn and save money.
     
  6. Chris*33

    Chris*33 Gold Member Basic Member Gold Member

    192
    Jan 16, 2017
    I am 100% with you that the companies take advantage of a hype/trent, in this case a very good and tough steel, but i don't think a class action suit would stand here. I am not a lawyer or otherwise familiar with law and its practice, but this seems as one of those situations with an asterisk at the end of a claim. With 3V you have the toughness granted so there's one..who's to say though what a 'good cutting edge' is, as they state on their chart? Good against which steel? Sharpened using which medium? At how many degrees? For what kind of use?...
    Each side could make a strong case by presenting the data in a certain light.

    I'm with you here, and my opinion is if you make something then do it right...and i don't mean marketing.

    Imagine having no real experience and education in steel types, HRC etc. and you go for your first knife with a 'supersteel', and after checking the awesome google reviews on a specific steel you land on something like this...
    'What the hell... i i've sharpened this more than my 8Cr already!'
     
  7. tomhosang

    tomhosang Gold Member Gold Member

    224
    Feb 17, 2017
    I just noticed something on Benchmade's site. If you click on any of their knives, it shows what steel it is and the HRC range. I just checked on the knives they make in 3V (200,537,591,365), and none of them show a hardness range. I'll let you guys form your own opinion on that.
     
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  8. Carlito86

    Carlito86

    68
    Apr 28, 2017
    Hahaha from bad ti ridiculous. Off for life.
     
  9. michaelm466

    michaelm466 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 5, 2009
    I currently have three CPM-3V Knives, to fixed blades and a folder (Spyderco Tuff), never had any problems with any of them chipping, I know at least 2 are 60 or higher (not sure what the Tuff is but I think it was suppose to be 59-60). Also what's interesting for those saying, that BM is running it soft so that they avoid chipping issues or to make it extra tough is, that at 60hrc CPM-3V is still has twice the ft/lbs (60 ft/lbs) in charpy tests compared to other steels BM uses. CPM-M4 @ 62hrc is 32ft/lbs, CPM-S30V @ 58Hrc is 28ft/lbs, D2 @ 60hrc is 20 ft/lbs and I haven't heard large scale chipping/weakness issues with those steels.
     
  10. cbrstar

    cbrstar Gold Member Gold Member

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    Sep 7, 2015
    This is just a theory... But I can't help think BM did this on purpose and the reason is the handle. If the blade was too rigid it would make it easier for the soft flexy handle to snap when prying. But with the blade being softer it will absorb some of the flex over the entire length of the knife.
    Again like many others said it's the wrong platform for 3v.
     
  11. michaelm466

    michaelm466 Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 5, 2009
    I'm not so sure, assuming it's the same material in as the Griptilian, I've seen that handle stood on and take quite a bit of flex without breaking.
     
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  12. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 31, 2011
    I can’t speak to how much the blade could be bent with the blade extended, but there was a guy that tried to break his Bugout (I know it’s a slightly smaller knife and, in theory, would have less flex because of that) and he even ran it over with a diesel truck and it came out the end of the attempts to break it with just surface scratches. He dropped it from a second story window onto cement and all kinds of things.
     
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  13. cbrstar

    cbrstar Gold Member Gold Member

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    Sep 7, 2015
    I know personally when I went to go buy a bugout I found the handle way too flexy for my liking.
    I'm probably wrong about this but I can't help but think the plastic will eventually start to age and get brittle, and cracked bugouts etc won't be all that uncommon in the future.
     
  14. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 31, 2011
    Only time will tell in regards to that. From what I know and have seen, grivery is a proven material. No, if we’re talking fatigue introduced to the material from flexing, that’s a different variable. I’m not sure there is enough flex to cause that kind of fatigue, but again, only time will tell.
     
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  15. T.L.E. Sharp

    T.L.E. Sharp That's right, it's genuine Velveeta... Platinum Member

    Jun 30, 2016

    I wouldn't bet on it. Neither of mine seemed to flex at all when I used them to CUT things. It's a knife, not a pry bar. I still don't understand the issue folks have with the Bugout handles.

    This heat treat nonsense is far more egregious in my book than the fact that plastic can bend a bit. You expect plastic to flex. You don't expect to get a premium steel left softer than your grandpa's old timer.
     
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  16. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Some recent quotes from @Nathan the Machinist on Delta3V ... which is the complete opposite of what benchmade has provided.

    https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/3v-heat-treat-history.1656132/page-2#post-19009281

    https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/3v-heat-treat-history.1656132/page-2#post-19009901
     
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  17. T.L.E. Sharp

    T.L.E. Sharp That's right, it's genuine Velveeta... Platinum Member

    Jun 30, 2016
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  18. Alchemy1

    Alchemy1 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 31, 2011
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  19. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Maybe they should update the website?
    https://www.benchmade.com/537-bailoutr.html


     
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  20. ScooterG

    ScooterG You mean Ireland? Yeah, it’s mine. Gold Member

    Mar 15, 2016
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