Benchmade Nimravus 140 vs 141

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Ok so I'm now seriously considering one of these and would like a plain edge model (not too fussed about scale colour). The 141 (Tanto) is available to me for around $180AUD while the 140 is available for $220AUD. $40 may not seem like a huge difference, but it does make me stop and give it some serious consideration. Generally speaking, is there a huge disadvantage to getting the 141 instead of the 140? The 140 doesn't seem to have significantly more belly for slicing or anything like that and my understanding is that the 141 would have a slightly stronger tip?
 
You're right that the differences aren't especially significant compared to some knives that have drop point and tanto versions (Cold Steel Recon 1, Hogue EX, Kershaw Blur to name a few) so you really have to decide what you want to use the knife for. I have a 140, but have never seen a 141 "in the flesh" and couldn't say for sure about the tip strength. I don't consider the 140's tip to be a weak point, and for anything short of combat use, I think a drop point blade - even with a fairly subtle belly - has the advantage in overall utility, but that hasn't stopped me from buying tanto versions of other knives that were also available in drop point versions.

$40 isn't insignificant when you're talking about two knives that are so similar.
 
so you really have to decide what you want to use the knife for. I have a 140, but have never seen a 141 "in the flesh" and couldn't say for sure about the tip strength. I don't consider the 140's tip to be a weak point, and for anything short of combat use, I think a drop point blade - even with a fairly subtle belly - has the advantage in overall utility
$40 isn't insignificant when you're talking about two knives that are so similar.
In all honesty, it's not going to see a massive amount of use. It's illegal to carry a knife in Australia without a valid reason (self-defense not being a reason) and I'd have a fairly hard time convincing anyone that I use a 140/141 to slice apples for my lunch. The knife is probably going to see use at home, cutting up boxes and other utility uses. I've been out in the bush a couple of times and having a knife is useful so I'll probably take it along when I go again, but I wouldn't exactly call it bushcraft.
 
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I have a 141 and a nimravus cub (smaller version) drop point and can say theres no difference in tip strength ether would work fine for cutting boxes

My preference for work like that would be a tanto use the main portion for cutting boxes and other heavy cutting save the small front portion for opening packages

carving and press cuts would be the drop point
 
Fair enough I should probably elaborate and point out that I'm not saying that the clip point version will be inferior or anything, after all, I won't be stabbing through car hoods or prying open bank vaults with it.
I'm basically wondering if there will come a point where I'm in the bush trying too carve a piece of wood and will regret not spending the extra $40 for the clip point version.
 
I much prefer my 140 over my 141. The blade geometry just isn't as nice for cutting with the 141. The tanto sure looks great though.
 
My thought would be buy the one that is most appealing to you. $40 is a difference, but in the long run, having a blade you don't really care for is not worth $40. Buy the one you will be happy with. Then use it and enjoy it. Life is very short.
Bob
 
I owned a Nimravus (140) once and I will say that it's not a great knife for using: period. The handle is very uncomfortable and the entire design give up to much usefulness for tacticalness. I think there are MUCH better fixed blades out there and I intend that as an extremely broad statement.

My alarm bells always go of when you have a large stainless coated fixed blade. I own many Benchmade and they are probably my favorite knife company however the Nimravus focuses a bit to much on looks and not enough on ergonomics or practicality.
 
My thought would be buy the one that is most appealing to you. $40 is a difference, but in the long run, having a blade you don't really care for is not worth $40. Buy the one you will be happy with. Then use it and enjoy it. Life is very short.
Bob

Of course, the thing is that I very much do like both, but that's really only based on aesthetics since I haven't handled either and wouldn't really know enough about the difference in blade geometry to be able to choose based on functionality.

I owned a Nimravus (140) once and I will say that it's not a great knife for using: period. The handle is very uncomfortable and the entire design give up to much usefulness for tacticalness. I think there are MUCH better fixed blades out there and I intend that as an extremely broad statement.

My alarm bells always go of when you have a large stainless coated fixed blade. I own many Benchmade and they are probably my favorite knife company however the Nimravus focuses a bit to much on looks and not enough on ergonomics or practicality.

That's fair, any specific recommendations? This is my first fixed blade and I'd like a knife that can really do just about anything I guess
 
I will second what rdg said.. get the one that appeals to you.
I love tanto blades..but I still wouldn't trade my 140 for a 141..
 
Why not an ESEE 4? Can be got in oz easy enough to and a great all round knife?

I considered an ESEE5 but I've never had a 1095 blade and would prefer something with lower maintenance (unless 1095 isn't actually all that difficult to take care of)

I will second what rdg said.. get the one that appeals to you.
I love tanto blades..but I still wouldn't trade my 140 for a 141..

As mentioned above, both are appealing, I just don't know how big of a difference it makes when it comes to using the knife and if there isn't a big difference then I'd like to save $40.
 
Fair enough. The blade can come in stainless. I have a 4 with 1095 that is coated. I have heard it's easy to keep sharp
 
I owned a Nimravus (140) once and I will say that it's not a great knife for using: period. The handle is very uncomfortable and the entire design give up to much usefulness for tacticalness.

Agreed. I bought my Nim 140 simply because I had a fascination with tactical fixed blades, but for the usual sorts of outdoor tasks that call for a fixed blade of that size, I would sooner choose just about anything else. There are numerous options if stainless steel is preferred, especially if "boring" steels like 440C, AUS8 and various flavors of Sandvik stainless are acceptable. Gerber is practically a dirty word around here, but I wouldn't hesitate to use a Prodigy. The new Strongarm is similar to the Prodigy, minus serrations. The Buck Nighthawk is another one that I like, quite a lot actually. These are all 420HC blades, but will be easy to maintain. Benchmade also made the Rant fixed blade (discontinued) in 440C.

Schrade will be another brand to consider. The discontinued X-Timer XT2B was available in a US-made version, and later in a Chinese version after the Taylor Brands takeover. My XT2B (US) is my #1 go-to outdoor fixed blade knive; the only thing I haven't attempted with it so far is to start a fire with a ferro rod. I've used it for slicing food, light chopping, feather sticks and even batoning . . . just to see if it would handle it.
 
Well this is a bit awkward now since it seems like the 140 wouldn't be that great an idea for my first fixed blade. Just how difficult is it to maintain 1095? The Ontario RAK (micarta scales) is pretty cheap and looks sturdy. I've also looked at the ESEE 5 which is almost double the price of the RAK but looks insanely tough (0.25 inch thick blade? Holy crap). There's also the ESEE 4 as smead suggested and I've also looked at the Fallkniven S1, except I'm not overly keen on learning how to sharpen a convex blade when I'm still learning how to use my sharpmaker properly.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, ESEE pricing does not include a sheath, or at least that was the case when I was comparing the ESEE 3 to a few other knives, so you'll want to check on that. I can't comment on sharpening 1095 as it's my stainless knives that see enough use to need sharpening, but getting minor rust spots out isn't problematic. Just don't let it sit around (or go back in the sheath for very long) without cleaning and oiling it after use.

I have become something of an Ontario fan myself, and at various times have carried an SP2, SP25 or 499 AFSK (pilot knife) on hikes, just in case. Most recently, I bought an SP41 for my camp knife, to be going on its maiden voyage next weekend. Having a steel buttcap is handy in lieu of a hammer.
 
Would you say its worth spending the extra $40?

I think so
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If I'm not mistaken, ESEE pricing does not include a sheath

Yup, you are mistaken. They can come in any configuration you want. No handle scales, no sheath, only with a sheath, with sheath and molle back. By far the most common configuration is with either kydex or molded plastic sheath which are all very good IMO.

Here is my take on the BM Nim. I have had two. One was the drop point (never had the tanto) with serrations and the aluminum handle. Great looking knife and would no doubt be very good at taking out sentry guards. It just was not as good at being a daily use all around knife. The second one was plain edged and had the older G10 handle. The handle was much more comfortable but again, I had other knives that just worked better for my uses. Also the sheathes were not great. The nylon one is not bad but really needs to stay strapped on a pack or vest or something. Forget about moving it from platform to platform quickly (IE taking it on and off your belt). The kydex was just plain old funky. Great design idea that was poorly executed.

I would also second an Esee. They are a great value (at least here in the states). Great Fit/finish, great heat treat on the 1095, great sheaths, and one of the best warranties in the buisness (forever, transferable, and no questions asked). There is even a story where a guy down under broke his Esee 3 and Jeff sent him a new one with only seeing pictures IIRC.

The Ontario RAK you mention being cheaper is so for various reasons. For all the reasons I mention Esee is great the Ontario will be less great at. IMO, particularly the sheath. A terrible sheath can make a great knife not worth carrying, again, IMO.

If you do consider an Esee (or any other knife really) you should also consider what you will be doing with it. If you are planning to cut out from the fuselage of a helicopter, the 5 would be great. It is not that great at being a knife. .25" is impressive but not very good at cutting stuff. I have one and it is awesome but it really is more of novelty. I have had the 4 but found it to still be thick for it's length. It is just as thick as the 6 but the 6 justifies it better with its length. For me the 3, 6, and Junglas are the best Esee makes. The 6 is a great jack of all trades but master of none.

If you don't want to swing the price for the Esee take a look at becker. They have a knife in just about every length or thickness. They are cheaper but their blade steel and heat treat is on par or better than Esee (they use 1095-crovan). Again though, they are cheaper because many of the nylon sheaths aren't very good and they don't have micarta handles. But lots of people love them!

And just a word on 1095 (or the cro-van). I wouldn't worry much about maintenance. They are coated so the only part of the blade to worry about is the edge and most any use it sees or sharpening gets rid of the surface rust. Just lube it and you should be good. Also it is easier to sharpen than stainless. Esee recommends the sharpmaker which you already have!

A final thought, have you thought of more local stuff like svord? they make some good budget stuff that you could get you feet wet with to find out what you like.

And a pic:

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