Benchmade: Tanto & Stryker Series

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For you guys who have a Stryker or another Benchmade Tanto what do you think of it?

I was told to stay away from the Tanto when I was younger as it wasn't a practical outdoors knife (skinning, etc) and it was harder to sharpen the tip. I don't skin with my pocket knife often but I have before and I also clean fish with my pocket knife. Is the Tanto not suitable for these tasks?
 
I personally hate the modified tantos found on folders like Benchmades. I find them to be much less useful, uncomfortable to use for tip work, have a shorter service life, not make any real gain in piercing power, wear more unevenly over time than other styles, be much more difficult to sharpen, and dull at a more variable rate than a drop point, making upkeep more work. With the way I prepare food, the design of the blade makes doing some of those tasks almost impossible or extremely uncomfortable because I would have to hold the knife on a weird angle. Additionally, I like making rocking cuts that you can't do with a blade that doesn't progressively upsweep like a drop point.

I really like BMs spear points and drop points, and since the Stryker is now available in the spear point, IMHO that is a much, much, much better knife than the tanto model. For the work you are doing, a drop point is going to be the best BM IMO other than an actual prep knife. Additionally, the blade profile on the spear point is a really nice grind for general usage.

Of course all of this is my personal opinion. YMMV.
 
Tanto was designed as the name suggests, short sword. In the realm of samurai sword that has single sided blade, Short blade like this is to either block the longer sword or do thrust cuts. Original Tanto didn't have straight bottom blade. So, Stryker Tanto (or 583) are American Tanto to be sure. Once I get used to single sided blade, it is a bit difficult to warm up with drop point or spear point.

I disagree with pnsxyr solely on Osborne Tanto. I feel it is not "Tanto", but cross between clip point and Warncliffe. I really like Osborne Tanto (Modified Reverse "American" Tanto), especially 950, 940, or 810. It has curved belly like any drop point with clip point like swedge, and has thicker blade up to the very near the tip. It is very strong thrust cutter.

But I am on the hedge on Stryker Tanto, because of straight blade on the bottom.
 
I have a number of different tantos, in Benchmades I have a 760 and a 912. I like a tanto if it has a fairly keen point, I don't like the real blunt looking tantos. I also like Benchmade's spear points and the 913 is one of my favorites.

One of the things I like best about tantos is that they have honest bevels at the point. Knives with a lot of belly sometimes have real blunt edge angles at the tip. I've had to reprofile some that took a lot of work to get the right angles near the tip even if the main bevel is good. If you think about a flat grind knife with a lot of belly, the flat grind creates a thin edge near the middle of the bevel but can't create a thin edge at the ends of the edge unless you do funny things with the grind. But with a tanto, you can grind both edges to the right angles without any tricks. If you look closely at the grinds at the end of the Spyder Vallotton you can somewhat see this, they have had to add another grind at the end so the point won't be too blunt.
 
I carried a 910 Stryker for years and never felt myself under equipped or the design inherently lacking in any way. Quite the contrary. It excelled in many areas and I developed a good appreciation for the design and overall strength of the knife.

While working I used it for a broad range of cutting tasks in what might be considered a harsher then normal environment, and I'd also say I subjected the 910 to harder then normal use and it was absolutely up to the task.

IMO it's a great knife overall, and I consider 910 Stryker one of BM's many standouts.
 
I've been using the tanto Axis Stryker with serrations as a work knife since it was released a few months back and it has been a great tool. It is an excellent size and the grip is very secure.

As far as tantos in general, I find them to be very utilitarian and especially useful for piercing tough materials in a controlled manner. With regard to skinning, I rarely will skin an animal but i had a tanto Presidio on me last summer when I killed a pregnant rattlesnake and it worked just fine. Probably not the best for furry creatures but fine for a slit down the belly, separating the sides, and turning a snake inside out.

[I've posted these before so if they bore you... look away! ;)]

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I personally hate the modified tantos found on folders like Benchmades. I find them to be much less useful, uncomfortable to use for tip work, have a shorter service life, not make any real gain in piercing power, wear more unevenly over time than other styles, be much more difficult to sharpen, and dull at a more variable rate than a drop point, making upkeep more work. With the way I prepare food, the design of the blade makes doing some of those tasks almost impossible or extremely uncomfortable because I would have to hold the knife on a weird angle. Additionally, I like making rocking cuts that you can't do with a blade that doesn't progressively upsweep like a drop point.

I really like BMs spear points and drop points, and since the Stryker is now available in the spear point, IMHO that is a much, much, much better knife than the tanto model. For the work you are doing, a drop point is going to be the best BM IMO other than an actual prep knife. Additionally, the blade profile on the spear point is a really nice grind for general usage.

Of course all of this is my personal opinion. YMMV.

Thanks for adding the personal opinion disclaimer. Unfortunately, you are mistaken on a few key opinions. A tanto is not harder to sharpen, does not lose its edge quicker than a spearpoint or whatever blade, does not require more upkeep, and certainly do not have a shorter service life. That is pure uninformed opinion and sounds like hearsay.

I've not found in many years of owning and using various tanto blades that it is either limited or worse at any task than a comparably designed knife with similar steel and specs. Is the tanto an ideal tool for skinning? Of course it isn't. If it were you'd see the resemblance in knives marketed and sold as skinners. A spear point can have many different grinds, as can a tanto. It can include a hollow grind, convex grind, saber grind, flat, or full flat grind. Blade shape doesn't dictate grind in all cases, nor does it dictate usage. A knife is simply an object, until it gets into the hands of a person with some skill for the task at hand then it becomes a tool. ;)
 
I never liked the tanto until I tried it. Took me one try to figure out how to sharpen it and have nothing but good experience with it.

There is a 909 Stryker in the mail with my name on it and I can't wait.
 
Thanks for adding the personal opinion disclaimer. Unfortunately, you are mistaken on a few key opinions. A tanto is not harder to sharpen, does not lose its edge quicker than a spearpoint or whatever blade, does not require more upkeep, and certainly do not have a shorter service life. That is pure uninformed opinion and sounds like hearsay.

I've not found in many years of owning and using various tanto blades that it is either limited or worse at any task than a comparably designed knife with similar steel and specs. Is the tanto an ideal tool for skinning? Of course it isn't. If it were you'd see the resemblance in knives marketed and sold as skinners. A spear point can have many different grinds, as can a tanto. It can include a hollow grind, convex grind, saber grind, flat, or full flat grind. Blade shape doesn't dictate grind in all cases, nor does it dictate usage. A knife is simply an object, until it gets into the hands of a person with some skill for the task at hand then it becomes a tool. ;)

I love how my opinion is wrong by default because it contrasts your own opinion. Should I elaborate on why I feel as I do, or will that also be by invalid by default? :(

First off, I try not to speak from hearsay. And when I am speaking something that is my opinion, I note it rather than conveying something as fact. And I believe here I did a good job in conveying my post was my personal opinion rather than actual fact. I am one person. I have my experience. One's person experience is just that.

Where is my opinion from? This is from my personal experience of owning two Benchmade AutoStryker models and various other models I have owned with western (more or less, modifications from Lum's), but mainly from the BMs because I had the same knife to compare. The models were the 9100SBK (154CM, tanto) and 9130SBK (154CM, spear point). Both were first generation AutoStryker models from when BM listed their 154CM as 58-60 HRC, and at the time were being sharpened on a SharpMaker. I also had at one point a standard drop point Mini Grip and a tanto Mini Grip although I did not use them side-by-side in the fashion I did the AutoStrykers (LIMIT-obviously my ability to sharpen plays into affect, although I felt I could get both reasonably sharp.)

As for sharpening, you have stated in the past that you feel having the two mainly straight angles makes it one of the easiest to sharpen. I feel it is more involved with upkeep and find it more difficult for this exact reason (and I think you will find there are people on both sides of the argument as to easy v. difficult). I assume you probably use the method Emerson advises which is sharpening each plane as if you were sharpening two smaller knives which is what I have used. To me, that is more difficult to do and more upkeep than a standard drop point that I can take a few quick passes at and be done. Maybe most tantos are super easy to upkeep to you, but to me they are almost never as easy as a drop point counter. http://emersonknives.com/blog/sharpening-your-emerson/ (LIMIT-having sharpened many more drop points than tantos, chances are my speed in sharpening is not as fast as someone with extensive experience who has sharpened tantos hundred and hundreds of times and I would rate my sharpening skills at an intermediate level.)

As for wear, I found that progressive wear from usage/sharpening will begin to round out the corner between the two planes and the blade slowly becomes more of a deformed drop point over time as that corner starts to round.
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(at an earlier stage http://www.poteau-oil.com/photography/firearm2012/benchmade9100-07.jpg)

One of the reasons I really like the drop point is because most of mine have worn evenly over time and I also find that drop points are super easy to reprofile tips on and make the blade look and function as it did prior to the broken tip (useful for a knife being used for utility). (NOTE-I chipped the area on my 9100 very close to the corner. Upon sharpening through the chip, the additional metal removal resulted in accelerated wear [above is a linked picture to another knife].)

And you are right that there is much variation. I should have said I was speaking specifically to the Benchmade tantos I have owned. Now if we take something like the Emerson CQC-15, that's a whole different story as Emerson has really made the design more useful by hybridizing the blade, giving it tremendous strength, piercing power, and utility capability. I think that certain Kissaki grinds are much more desirable than what we see today on most production folders. If we take something like the XM-18's Spanto, I see a blade with many design similarities to the Chu which is a friggin awesome performer for virtually all tasks.

But the standard Western tanto we see commonly on BMs and other production knives to me is ultimately a combat grind made for penetrating objects that are hard to penetrate. To my understanding, it's primary purpose is to penetrate light armor by quickly widening the hole sufficiently for full insertion when the physical momentum/force is at its greatest to defeat the barrier (versus most other grinds in which the widest point of the knife would not penetrate until substantially later in the process when the force generated is less than it would be with the tanto that reaches its widest point much sooner). Utilitarian value takes a back seat. You may find it to perform as well as other grinds, but I do not.



Some people really like tantos. Some don't. I fall into the latter.
 
No need to get them in a wad bro, it's a discussion. Emotions shouldn't really play a role in this. But, to each their own.
 
If you look closely at the grinds at the end of the Spyder Vallotton you can somewhat see this, they have had to add another grind at the end so the point won't be too blunt.

Actually, the spyderco vallotton is considered a modified tanto blade.

Note that tanto blade is not necessarily defined by the presence of a secondary point, this is a characteristic of the American tanto that was popularized by cold steel way back when.

Look at the Lum-style tantos for example. Convex reinforced piercing point with a hollow ground main edge and a smooth transition between the two.
 
No need to get them in a wad bro, it's a discussion. Emotions shouldn't really play a role in this. But, to each their own.

It seemed pretty civil to me. At least nobody involved was accused of instigating an anti-Benchmade agenda or falsely indicted for having an Alter ego who resides in Facebook spreading the word! Now that would really be bad. :D
 
It seemed pretty civil to me. At least nobody involved was accused of instigating an anti-Benchmade agenda or falsely indicted for having an Alter ego who resides in Facebook spreading the word! Now that would really be bad. :D

Alter ego? Now that is interesting. I love a good mystery. Tell me more.
 
No need to get them in a wad bro, it's a discussion. Emotions shouldn't really play a role in this. But, to each their own.



It is most certainly a discussion...of opinions at that. And I was defending my opinion after you more or less told me what I said was BS. Whether you intended it or not, the way your statements read to me is calling my integrity into question.

Unfortunately, you are mistaken on a few key opinions. ... That is pure uninformed opinion and sounds like hearsay.
 
Alter ego? Now that is interesting. I love a good mystery. Tell me more.

No mystery; he's just being passive aggressive. In one of the handful of "QC" threads that he has either started or egged-on since the price changes in December, I once questioned whether he had a motive. In one of those threads, somebody else hypothesized that he was a particular Benchmade hater utilizing similar tactics on Facebook.

He rightly supposed one of us would see his niggling little remark with a happy face in this thread. It was a completely off-topic remark which was intended to contribute nothing of substance or positivity to this thread and stir up unprovoked emotion. Oh well.



Edit: Sorry, OP, for feeding the troll in your thread.
 
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My apologies to the OP, but Jazub’s remarks merit a response – we’ll call it my farewell speech.

Jazub, I'm sure you had noticed I did not reply to RevDevil’s inquiry. There was no reason to expound upon the light-hearted “inside joke”. Others who followed that thread may have found the light-hearted “inside joke” amusing, I guess some may not have thought so, as you needed to become the troll you accuse me of being by adding your scathing post to this thread.

If a member were to read all my posts they would find that the vast majority are there to help answer questions from other members or to provide reviews or information about Benchmade knives that may be of interest to them. Any comments/posts/threads made by me relating to Benchmades’s inconsistent quality control were always qualified with the fact that I own and enjoy many Benchmade knives and that the comments are made hoping it would result in Benchmade realizing improving quality control is needed, and customers will be happier as a result. If nothing is ever said Benchmade’s quality control will not improve. Obviously, the many members who posted pictures and detailed their experiences demonstrate that the issues are not as isolated as some would believe.

Since Jazub has stated I am considered a “Troll” (a first) my continued participation with this board must not be desired, so this is my last post other than selling a few knives in that section. In closing, I would like to thank all the members who I have had the pleasure of sharing knowledge about our passion for Benchmade knives.

Again, my apologies to “Benchmadebear” for being off topic.
 
My new 909 Tanto. I have to credit AKC for such a great deal and worry free experience.

Upon receiving it, I looked it over, put it in the gun cabinet, and promptly lost the key so I haven't been able to carry or use it.

Like every Benchmade I own, this one is perfectly centered, evenly ground. It is also surprisingly light and thin for it's size.

Allen and Benchmade hit a home run with this design and I approve.



 
Thats a beauty! Congrat's on the new knife!

I'm a big fan of the Stryker having carried a 910 for many years. The, I guess you could call it "Modified American Tanto" design by Ellen Elishewitz is a real stand out as far as I'm concerned.

Beautiful lines and I can tell you from experience, a lot stronger then one might think.

Putting an AXIS lock on it really takes it to another level. I only wish they had kept the blade size the same as the original. It seems from the spec's the 909's blade is slightly smaller. Still, beautiful knife you have there!

Couple of old school 910's. After all these years I still think them a beautiful design...



 
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I've owned my Benchmade for a long time and love the tanto blade. I think the people who say tantos are a bad blade shape are basing that opinion solely on aesthetics and not first-hand experience.
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