Best for batoning?

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by einsteinjon, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. einsteinjon

    einsteinjon Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2008
    Hi all,

    Wondering if there is a consensus for best Bussekin for batoning? I seem to recall reading that a convex grind works best?

    Any other opinions out there? Specific knife? Grind type? Most efficient blade length? For example would a NMSFNO OR NMFBM be better at batoning?

    Just did some of my first batoning this weekend with a Forsaken FBM and a BG WTF (and a Trusty Cook mallet) with mixed results. :)

    Also, I am well aware a splitting axe may be the best answer but let's keep this to Bussekin please. :p
     
  2. SlamAdams

    SlamAdams Platinum Member Platinum Member

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    Jun 13, 2020
    I know this.... the advent of that hybrid grind on the Mega’s from the Swamp baton great because that thick shoulder at the spine just wedges the wood into two.

    Idk if I ever had any Busse Kin with a full convex (oh wait, maybe a NMFBM) but at the end of the day, confidence in the blade/steel your beating on and brute force have always gotten the job done. I also think the more blade length the better. Gives you more wiggle room and more striking area.

    Hell, I barton stuff that doesn’t even need it because I just enjoy it. Hence why I’m a Busse kin fan because for a Busse/Swamp/Scrap it’s not abuse.
     
  3. BRab

    BRab Gold Member Gold Member

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    Nov 23, 2009
    Any large Bussekin blade should do well with batonning, as most are pretty thick. However, I prefer hard knife scales for this, Res-c will get damaged from blows with a baton. Some people enjoy using a large knife to baton, like myself, but many others greatly prefer using an axe or maul...

    If a Forsaken Mistress or WTF are not working for you then you may want to try an axe to compare, it may work better for you...
     
  4. Thesian

    Thesian Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2008
    It’s all INFI with varying grinds, thicknesses and lengths. I think best barring is very much a function if what you are trying to hammer through.
     
  5. SlamAdams

    SlamAdams Platinum Member Platinum Member

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    Jun 13, 2020
    And on a side note.... I think batoning is one of the safer and more convenient methods of splitting wood in the field.

    Imo splitting with an axe in your yard with a good foundation and room to move safely is not the same as splitting in a congested forested area. I could also be lacking certain skills or experience. But for me.....I’ll baton or use a saw.
     
  6. WatermanChris

    WatermanChris Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Aug 30, 2018
    The FFBM would be a pretty nice big blade but the HOG B8 does serious damage of you're okay with your Resi C getting banged up
     
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  7. einsteinjon

    einsteinjon Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2008
    Good point. I should add that it was oak logs, roughly 5 to 6 inch diameter, that I cut down a couple years ago and have been sitting around in the yard drying out.
     
  8. lmcq784

    lmcq784 Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 5, 2010
    I think of the following criteria regarding batoning:
    1. Blade length for striking real estate as well as batoning diameter.
    2. Do you want thicker stock to split or thinner stock to sail through? Preference... but also depending on what you’re trying to baton/achieve.
    3. Nice flat spine rather than swedge. So it doesn't chew up or break your baton.

    The Mistresses seem to be designed pretty perfectly for it.
    To me, the Forsaken mistress just missed #3, but it's so nice to use, I don't mind. I don't own an NMFBM, but imagine it'd be pretty ideal. Haven't tried batoning with my ASHBM but I think it'd work as well.
    As mentioned the MEGA compound grind is pretty slick for splitting... But I haven't gotten around to trying it much yet. The MegaRatweiler splits smaller stuff great, but could be longer tho, for my liking.
     
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  9. inkynate

    inkynate

    Sep 4, 2010
    I've batoned with many Bussekin, but one of my favs is the Boom Parang. Thinner stock sails through, high sabre reduces binding, good length, and the upswept spine is a great surface to strike with a baton.
     
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  10. Currawong

    Currawong Platinum Member Platinum Member

    May 19, 2012
    NMFBM fatty for me. Full height convex grind on a 0.28" stock. There is no vibration in the handle when chopping or batoning, it feels rock solid. The rounded spine is gentle on the baton.

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  11. PeteyTwoPointOne

    PeteyTwoPointOne Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    Great points^^^

    Nuked edges will help with lifespan of your maul, too...

    Try a Harbor Fright deadblow hammer...if it gets chewed up and leaks shot, they'll replace it for ya...

    Batoning gets a bad rap <pun intended :p> as being useless, but @SlamAdams is precisely correct about the safety factor. In addition, if you're a minimalist type dude it's an appealing skill as well-- requiring only your blade and what ever the environs provides.

    Swamp Rat R9 is my go-to guy for kindling duty. Heavy enough to split a lot of small chunks under its own mass. Saber grind helps bust a wedge. Substantial fore-ward guard protects knuckles when guiding thru the chunk and when you have to move back on the handle.

    Here's the article from a few years back that prompted me to pick up one off the Exchange, I never looked back after that:

    https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/swamp-rat-rodent-9-efficient.989373/
     
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  12. einsteinjon

    einsteinjon Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2008
    Good thoughts all thank you! I have a Mega Ratweiler but didn't use it this weekend. Awaiting my sheath from David Brown. :thumbsup: I gotta get a NMFBM someday...
     
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  13. FAL'ER

    FAL'ER Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    This is an interesting thread, I've been pounding knives of all kinds through wood for close to 15 years and I've never really thought about what blade geometry is best for doing that.
    Good read.
     
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  14. RobStanley

    RobStanley

    Dec 27, 2006
    Rounded spines are kind on your baton. The ASHBM is awesome. Being 5/16ths thick, full height grind, it makes an excellent wedge. My other favourite is the fat NMFSH.

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  15. Bobber

    Bobber Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2009
    The Regulator has a blade shape made for battoning, that deep hollow grind is easy to start into the wood, but as the thickness increases so fast, it acts like a wedge.
    The wood just "explodes" apart after just a few whacks..
     
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  16. einsteinjon

    einsteinjon Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2008
    Well now the ASHBM, NMFSH, and Regulator are all sounding pretty great haha!
     
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  17. gorshi

    gorshi

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    Jan 9, 2006
    NMFBM works great
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  18. Spirch

    Spirch

    449
    Apr 4, 2012
    hogb8, so wide that it like using a wedge

     
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  19. einsteinjon

    einsteinjon Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 22, 2008
    Awesome video! Looks like a fatty works great!
     
  20. d762nato

    d762nato Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    Nice work those fatty blades work great like a wedge. I thought you were going to make roofing shingles the way you were splitting that wood. :D
     
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