Best way(s) to make a knife tang hole or square slot in a solid piece of maerial?

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Hi. Apart from using a conventional drill m what an you use to make a nice long or short rectangular slot in a solid un cut piece of handle material for a knife tang to slip into snugly but not twist and split the ex wood?

Example a mora companion style knife with a 3 inch rectangular tang about 5/8" tall and 1/10" thick.

Normally i mark and outline on two halves of wood and chisel out the space to seat the blade in. Then glue it all together and hope that it will look like a single piece.
 
Get or make a 3/32" gouge and gouge the wood out. I think the easiest way would be to drill 2 3/32" holes through the handle the correct distance apart, the run a coping saw blade through one of the holes. Hook up the coping saw and carefully cut the rectangle out. Or you could drill a series of holes to the right depth, then gouge the hole out.
 
Get or make a 3/32" gouge and gouge the wood out. I think the easiest way would be to drill 2 3/32" holes through the handle the correct distance apart, the run a coping saw blade through one of the holes. Hook up the coping saw and carefully cut the rectangle out. Or you could drill a series of holes to the right depth, then gouge the hole out.

He most likely wants the slot to bottom out before it breaks through the butt. That would require a pommel.
 
He most likely wants the slot to bottom out before it breaks through the butt. That would require a pommel.

Basically it's a 2/3 or 3/4 tang . The last inch or so of the handle (bottom) has no hole/slot. The tang will still receive bolsters/pins on top of the glue inside the handle. It is not much different than the leather handle of a Kabar combat kife except the tang is not all the way to the pommel.

I have 3/16 mortising bits but they had a max depth of 2 inches. However then do a beautiful job.

Thanks.
 
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Basically it's a 2/3 or 3/4 tang . The last inch or so of the handle (bottom) has no hole/slot. The tang will still receive bolsters/pins on top of the glue inside the handle. It is not much different than the leather handle of a Kabar combat kife except the tang is not all the way to the pommel.

I have 3/16 mortising bits but they had a max depth of 2 inches. However then do a beautiful job.

Thanks.

Thats what I'm saying. It bottoms out. What a lot of people seem to do is drill a series of holes, then open it up with a broach. I've only experimented, but I have trouble keeping the holes lined up. Use brad point bits. Most broaches I've seen are homemade, often from hacksaw blades, I believe.
 
I make that kind of tang a lot. Broaches are the way to do it. There are a bunch of threads on here that talk about the fantastic broaches made by John Perry. I had a chance to look at one and use it last summer and it was far better than any of the lash-ups I had made with jigsaw blades (although those do work well for kitchen knife thickness blades).
Here is a thread with a couple of pictures of the broaches and method of use;
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/808140-Wheeler-s-Steel-*-Stuck-in-the-metal-with-you/page7

They look complicated to make, but a useable version can be made from a suitably sized piece of precision ground O-1 using a cross cut saw sharpening file. You could probably do one using a round file too. I had seen the pictures on the net, but had always thought it was going to be more trouble than it was worth, but it wasn't nearly so hard as filing a knife blade, and HT was easily done with a torch. The improvement in speed and ease of making that tang hole though was significant. I wish I had made one sooner!

The other way of doing it is to use a slotted filler piece between slabs. That works very well in Micarta when you can match the thickness of the tang exactly.

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Thank You.

Yes i have a few of those but i will have to make one to fit about 1/8" Should not be a problem. In some places they are called reamers.

Thanks again.
 
I've seen some guys heat the tang and burn it in.
 
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swordmaster,
Where are you located? I have noticed that there may be a language difference in some of your posts. Since you haven't filled out your profile, no one knows this.

Reamers are a different tool than broaches. Reamers are to enlarge a round hole. Broaches are used to cut a hole to a specific shape. There is rotary broaching and linear broaching. A reamer may be used somewhat similarly to a rotary broach, but there are differences in how it cuts and the shape of the tool.

The knife making "broach" that we refer to in slotting a tang hole is a broaching saw, which is a hand held linear broach. It is a small saw with back facing chisel teeth. You drill a hole ( or holes) in the wood, insert the broach, and cut by pulling the tool outward. A well made broach can slot a tang hole in only a few dozen strokes.

A lot of makers cut the slot hole using a drill press with a sliding vise, and good quality woodworking bits. Don't use your metal drilling bits for this task. Brad point bits are good for the task. The drills used to drill the holes in pen making are also superb, and longer than many standard bits. Finally, you can get a carbide tipped brad point bit in 1/4" for less than $20 that will drill tang holes straight and smooth for years without any problem.
Mark the tang slot on the handle block, and clamp in the X-Y vise. Position a drill bit the size of the tang thickness at one end of the marked slot, and lock down the vise slides. Drill the first hole to the desired depth. Unlock the slide and move the block to position the drill on the other side of the desired tang slot. Drill this hole. Now, move the block as needed to drill out the wood between the two end holes.

A side cutting reamer drill bit ( very similar to a rotary broach or side milling tool ) is good to clean up the slot after the holes are drilled. Most woodworking suppliers sell these bits.
If you try and use your regular drill bits to side-ream the slot, you will likely break a lot of bits. Just insert the rotary reamer/broach in the end hole, lock down the quill, and very slowly back the slide down the axis, cutting away the webs between the holes until you reach the end of the slot. To keep the slot straight and smooth, it is best to take smaller bites on the slot, say 1" at a time, than to try and ream the whole slot at full depth in one cut.

It is a good idea to cut the tang slot in the block before shaping the handle. The block is nice and square at this stage. The desired tang hole can be marked on the outside for positioning, and then transfered to the end in pencil. After the hole is drilled and broached, the actual tang position in the block can be re-marked on the outside, and the block band sawed or ground to the desired shape....leaving the tang hole exactly centered and where you ant it. If you shape the handle first, it will be nearly impossible to get the hole centered perfectly.
My advise to new makers ( and old ones who haven't figured it out yet) is to make the tang hole first, and then remove everything from the block of handle material that doesn't look like the handle you want.
 
Yes i tend to use the old euro english, french, e.t.c I'm Canadian.

Yes i have just about all the equipment you mentioned, thank you. I have hand reamers that are square like a file and have hollow ground edges much like modern mortising drill bits with the inside centers like a rasp. Normally i do not have problems with hidden tangs but in this instance the tang is rather tall and thin which makes it a problem for conventional techniques and i do not wish to add shims.

Thanks every one for the suggestions, keep them suggestions coming.
 
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