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I wouldn't worry about it, there's always those types of people that make the comments. Even if they were right, it's the way they come off, as if they were the final word on the subject, haha.
It is in a museum indeed. There's a thread around here somewhere, where Joe and Ethan visited that place.The knife Horace Kephart carried, is in a museum. I believe the Joe Flowers interpreted Condor Kephart was modeled after it. There are pictures of Mr. Kephart with the knife on his belt. In "Camping and Woodcraft" Kephart claims the knife was "of his own design" and "made by a country blacksmith". The Colclesser Brothers add claims the knife was designed by Horace Kephart. It sounds to me like Mr. Kephart carried a custom knife made by a local blacksmith just the way he wanted it and the Colclesser Brothers made a factory version. I don't know, maybe Kephart adopted or tweaked an existing pattern to suit him the way George Washington Sears' cut down skinning knife would become known as the Nessmuk pattern or a drop point hunter is a Loveless pattern. There are only so many way to make a knife. Oh, and my BK62 should arrive today.
Edit: Some sailor's fixed blade knives had a spear point, but many were sheep's foot, all had a lanyard hole, and none that I have seen had a guard.
Yeah... so charming lol.The poster lost me when he called someone a "snowflake".
Wow, thank you for going above and beyond! I've refrained from commenting myself, but I enjoyed yoursFun and informative video! Thanks for taking the time and effort to share Captain Airyca.
(btw, couldn't help but give a little attitude-check to that keyboard Einstein in your comments )
Thank you! This is the assumption I had. I mean, if there is written documentation either way, I'd love to read it, but I don't think that makes the BK62 some how not a Kephart knife!I can't swear that Kephart's personal knife wasn't slightly different in size or handle girth etc ...
but from my understanding the Colclesser Brother's knives were copies of Horace's personal knife ... and the knife Ethan based the BK62 on is from one of the Colclesser brothers knives which he came to own ...
I think it was just someone trying to inject themselves into your review ...
I don't believe anything you said or posted was "wrong" in the way that was meant ... slightly different particulars I don't think make a difference in this context ... even if that is true ...
some just can't leave well enough alone ... I enjoyed your review and wouldn't worry that you mislead anyone in anyway ... it is a well made and well thought out review from someone that did some research and gave a very honest straight forward review ...
thank you for doing it
It sure doesn't look very big. And from the pics I've seen, Kephart is also kinda a small dude it seems like. Correct me if I'm wrong!It is in a museum indeed. There's a thread around here somewhere, where Joe and Ethan visited that place.
Never seen a photo of Kephart with his knife, would love to see it.
EDIT: I guess this one does show him wearing a knife, although hard to see:
You could be right about the Colclesser Bros not making the original. People may assume that, because he did use a Colclesser made tomahawk:
“Among my most valued possessions is a tiny Colclesser tomahawk, of 8-ounce head and 2 1/2 inch bit, which, with hickory handle and home-made sheath, weighs only three-quarters of a pound. I seldom go anywhere in the woods (unless in marching order with a heavier axe) without this little trick. It is all that is needed to put up a satisfactory shelter wherever there is hemlock or balsam, or bark that will peel, while for other service I use it oftener than I do my jackknife.”
Congrats on the new BK62, really like mine.
I was under the impression that 1095 (not sure about 1095CV?) has an embrittlement zone around 60 hrc and that for this reason it is best run at 58 or below or at 62 or higher. Most Kabar knives are made to be used and abused including chopping, batoning and some prying so it makes sense that they would lean towards the softer side. Again, not sure if 1095CV behaves the same?
The knife Horace Kephart carried, is in a museum. I believe the Joe Flowers interpreted Condor Kephart was modeled after it. There are pictures of Mr. Kephart with the knife on his belt. In "Camping and Woodcraft" Kephart claims the knife was "of his own design" and "made by a country blacksmith". The Colclesser Brothers add claims the knife was designed by Horace Kephart. It sounds to me like Mr. Kephart carried a custom knife made by a local blacksmith just the way he wanted it and the Colclesser Brothers made a factory version. I don't know, maybe Kephart adopted or tweaked an existing pattern to suit him the way George Washington Sears' cut down skinning knife would become known as the Nessmuk pattern or a drop point hunter is a Loveless pattern. There are only so many way to make a knife. Oh, and my BK62 should arrive today.
Edit: Some sailor's fixed blade knives had a spear point, but many were sheep's foot, all had a lanyard hole, and none that I have seen had a guard.
It is in a museum indeed. There's a thread around here somewhere, where Joe and Ethan visited that place.
Never seen a photo of Kephart with his knife, would love to see it.
EDIT: I guess this one does show him wearing a knife, although hard to see:
You could be right about the Colclesser Bros not making the original. People may assume that, because he did use a Colclesser made tomahawk:
“Among my most valued possessions is a tiny Colclesser tomahawk, of 8-ounce head and 2 1/2 inch bit, which, with hickory handle and home-made sheath, weighs only three-quarters of a pound. I seldom go anywhere in the woods (unless in marching order with a heavier axe) without this little trick. It is all that is needed to put up a satisfactory shelter wherever there is hemlock or balsam, or bark that will peel, while for other service I use it oftener than I do my jackknife.”
Congrats on the new BK62, really like mine.
Interesting threads!! Thank you!Here is a link to the thread I was thinking of. The op of that thread wanted detailed information about the sheath Kephart used to carry his knife. Page 1 has the photo you posted and page 2 has another photo of Kephart carrying the knife.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...ic-kephart-sheath-could-use-some-help.961061/
Here is a link to a followup thread...well...just because.
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...es-of-kepharts-sheath-from-the-museum.964377/
Thank you, you're totally right. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't totally wrong. I think it'll be fine. I'm definitely focusing on the positive, I've been so happy that other folks have been enjoying the video. It was one that I really made "for me" in the sense that I thought the information should be out there in that format, even if I'm the only one that wants a 40 min video on the knife lol.Your video is interesting and comprehensive. The history presented is accurate as far as I know. The tasks performed; food prep, fire building, and light utility; are relevant for me and mirror how I use my camp knives. Your impressions of the knife are meaningful because of the time you took to get to know the tool, and your enthusiasm is contagious. Well done.
Every youtube comment I read was positive except for 2. You could argue with the trolls, but what is the point? My mother-in-law used to say, “When you wrestle a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.” I’d ignore the negative and focus on the positive.
I don't have a precise measurement tool beyond a normal ruler, will that work?Erica, can you measure the thickness of the edge right at the top of edge bevel? I am curious. The Condor is over 45 thousands which is almost 3 times as thick as the most recent Kephart that I made, Mine is like 15 for most of the blade and around 20 thou at the heel. That leaving the heal even beefier even when there isn't a true heal is a habit I developed making kitchen knives.
I don't have a precise measurement tool beyond a normal ruler, will that work?
Haha! Not a critic! More of an enthusiast? Lol! I still should get some though. I'll ask my father-in-law the next time I see him, he might have something like that.Nope. If you are gong to be a harsh knife critic, you need to go to Home Depot or Lowes and get some digital calipers.
Erica, can you measure the thickness of the edge right at the top of edge bevel? I am curious. The Condor is over 45 thousands which is almost 3 times as thick as the most recent Kephart that I made, Mine is like 15 for most of the blade and around 20 thou at the heel. That leaving the heal even beefier even when there isn't a true heal is a habit I developed making kitchen knives.
Quick and dirty measurement before work about an inch forward of the plunge grind...
Condor Kephart .050"
Esee PR-4 .035"
Becker BK62 .025"
Mitutoyo caliper; first time I've measured blade thickness behind the edge; I'd like to take the time to measure more carefully 2 or 3 spots along the edge, but that will have to wait.
Quick and dirty measurement before work about an inch forward of the plunge grind...
Condor Kephart .050"
Esee PR-4 .035"
Becker BK62 .025"
Mitutoyo caliper; first time I've measured blade thickness behind the edge; I'd like to take the time to measure more carefully 2 or 3 spots along the edge, but that will have to wait.