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Glad you like it Scottman. That makes my day, bud.
Good question, I don't know. I would think it could start here.Does the passaround need to start in the pass section of can we start here ? I live in Columbus GA and can start if you guys want
He's just trying to stir up trouble with the koolaid drinkers. Anyone who thinks those blades are the same doesn't understand knives very well. As for the handle, I've been making that one since the '90's.
"I couldn't help but to put both together for a comparison..." Really?
You could put a picture of dozens of knives that they both kinda sorta look like. What exactly was that comparison supposed to prove? Shall we show a 200 year old Kukri and go see guys look at that. Or go back around 2 thousands years and go look those damn Greeks stole from Busse and Hossom! Just silly.
It always helps when someone knows how to use a machete or similar tool, and I notice that you do which always makes a knife work best. We've had excellent feedback from folks using it for a number of tasks, but especially from hunters clearing shooting lanes. Outdoor Edge has a long history (26 years to be exact) of making affordable but serviceable knives and tools for hunters, so those were the earliest adopters of the Brush Demon and they like it. Thanks for the evaluation and the video. I'm sending the link to Outdoor Edge and I'm sure they'll appreciate your review as do I.
Let me make some observations, Mr Cow. It's only "gimmicky" if it doesn't work and there have been a number of reports in this thread including the video linked above asserting that it does work. The blade shape has a good bit of thought and personal experience designed into it, to place the greatest curvature in the edge at the sweet spot for maximum power and penetration on heavier woods, while working as any other machete on light brush and grasses. But each of us has a different take on what that means based on experience, skill set and expectations. The handle won't fly out of your hand unless you want it too, and it also won't eat your hand with excessive texturing, depending instead on sound ergonomic principles. The balance point is about 3" in front of the handle. Length is shorter than most "machetes" which are usually 18" or longer, but longer than some "choppers" you might have experience with, which are usually shorter, heavier and not much good on brush. The 65Mn steel is actually bit closer to 5160 than it is to 1065, and was chosen for its toughness and sharpenability. We've also been pleased with its edge retention which surprised us a little, but convex edges do tend to hold up better and this one is. Heat treat is decent. As for the sheath, it's about what you'd expect with a knife costing little more including sheath than the $40+ sheath you speak of. It's nylon with adjustable carry positions for a high or low ride as you prefer. If you want a more durable kydex sheath they are available from RDR Holsters though I don't know the price, probably $40+.
Now, I'll add that it's been my experience that when someone approaches a tool with an expectation of disappointment, they usually fulfill those expectations.
Let me say some things about this knife and its construction. I've been working with Outdoor Edge for about 2-1/2 years on this and other designs. It took over 18 months, dozens if not hundreds of emails, countless phone calls, and three meetings with a factory engineer from when I handed the prototype for this knife to Outdoor Edge before it finally came to market. With other collaborations I've had (Ontario, Spyderco, Boker and a couple others), I never spoke to the company on the subject of construction after I gave them the prototype, and they were on the market in about 6 months, off the market in 2 years. That's how most knife companies work, a batch of new designs each year to be replaced by more new designs the next year. The Outdoor Edge philosophy is that if it's a good knife, a useful knife, there is little reason for it to not remain so forever. If it can be improved it will be, otherwise it's a tool like any other tool and should serve and be useful for many years. Nearly a year before the Brush Demon was on the market prototypes were being tested by Outdoor Edge in Colorado. David Bloch, the president of Outdoor Edge, did most of the testing himself, and came up with a parameter I'd never heard used for a knife before. Accurate. Huh? Well, it's something I'd never contemplated and I'd dearly love to claim I designed that into the knife, but I didn't, at least not knowingly. "Accurate" is when you swing a blade, intending to hit a spot on your target, and the blade unerringly hits that spot, not a spot nearby. With small knives this usually isn't an issue, with long blades it is and I can't count the times I've swung an Ontario machete and had it miss my spot and often deflect off the target because the angle of attack was off. If you've used a machete for any length of time, especially on hardwoods, you know what I mean. It's likely the result of handle design, but I think we got lucky because the Brush Demon is amazingly accurate in its cuts, and the next large knife we will introduce already has that as a requirement. This only happens when the knife designer, bringing his experience to the table, is matched with a knife manufacturer, who is also a dedicated knife user, and they work on each and every nit picking detail of a knife to make it as good as it can be. In David's and my case it's been a bit like ADD meets OCD. I'm fine when it's just good, David isn't happy until it's as close to perfect as he can make it. I don't do "perfect", he doesn't do "good". Together we're a great team. We have designs planned out for the next 2-3 years, and most are already in or through field testing, all have had changes made from what I submitted, all have had dozens of emails, countless phone calls and meetings with the factory engineer. All are better than the prototypes I gave Outdoor Edge to start with. With the Brush Demon especially this has been a serious learning experience for me, because I thought I really knew machetes, having swung one in the jungle with the Army for most of two years, but I've learned more about them in the past couple years than I did in that misery called Panama and the US Army Jungle School. Next out will be the Harpoon, a somewhat smaller chopper called the Saberback Bowie, and a sweet little neck knife called Le Duck. More to follow next year. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
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