Buck 110 Variations I Recently Found (Boring Stuff to Non 110 Collectors) :)

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I know, boring stuff to most, but this should be interesting to Bert…and maybe other Buck 110 collectors.

I have spent much time in the past couple weeks cataloging my Buck 110s and getting my best of each version and each variation of those for my future historical 110 display.
Happy to say I've got that covered from the 1st/1st right up through 1988.
Time to start looking to fill in the years from 1988 on in my 110 collection. :)

Back to a couple differences that I found.
I know Bert has written an article for our BCCI newsletter about differences in the 5th/3rd from 1973.
I think I found another variation, although very slight in that model.
Pictured below are three different rear pin locations.
























I knew of two of the three variations on the above knives, but I also found rear pin variations in the 1970 4th/1st that I hadn't noticed yet.
I pictured two 4th/1st knives that show the rear pin lower on one and higher on the other.













 
Great information Mark. Thanks for posting your find and the great pictures showing the different pin locations which explains it very well to us novices.
 
Stumps,

If you look at the "5th/3rd rear center", you should see that the blade rivet is pretty well centered on the front bolster compared to the other two. Also, take a look at the top of the rear bolster and compare it to the others; it is a little wider. Finally, if you put the knives on their sides, you might notice that the "5th/3rd rear center" is slightly thicker.

My question is can you see any sign of adhesive to hold the scales to the frame? You might need to use a magnifying lens. Finally, if you open the knife can you see any signs of grinding or sanding on the inside of the brass frame/liner? Again, you might need a magnifying lens.

Bert
 
bertl said:
Stumps,

If you look at the "5th/3rd rear center", you should see that the blade rivet is pretty well centered on the front bolster compared to the other two. Also, take a look at the top of the rear bolster and compare it to the others; it is a little wider. Finally, if you put the knives on their sides, you might notice that the "5th/3rd rear center" is slightly thicker.

My question is can you see any sign of adhesive to hold the scales to the frame? You might need to use a magnifying lens. Finally, if you open the knife can you see any signs of grinding or sanding on the inside of the brass frame/liner? Again, you might need a magnifying lens.

Bert
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Bert…you are right.
The center pin frame knife is almost 1/16" thicker and has the stockier square frame.
The blade pin is also centered on the frame compared to the other two.
I can see glue on the scales of the two off centered pin knives, but none on the centered pin knife.
I can also see what looks like saw marks on the inside frame of the two off centered pin knives, but it seems to be smooth on the inside frame of the one with the centered pin.

Do we have another variation of the 110 not shown in Joe's data sheet? :)

Thanks James and TAH. This is not boring to me! :thumbup:
 
I did a quick glance through this hoard. Initial thoughts, adhesive stopped with the 3 scale pins. Sometime between two scale pin two dot and three scale pin two dot.

Give or take, kinda sorta..
 
Stumps,

Your "5th/3rd rear center" knife is what I call a transition from the 5th Version to the 2 Dots. It is not on Joe's data sheet. These knives were the first to use the sintered brass frame, the same as on the 2 Dots. At the beginning the frames were ground and adhesive was used. The frame grinding only lasted a short time so that variation is pretty rare. It didn't take too long before the adhesive was no longer used. The result is that you can find your "5th/3rd rear center" with both grinding and adhesive, or with no grinding but with adhesive, and finally without any grinding or adhesive. Now you can start going through all your knives to see if you have all three.

Bert
 
Bert…I made a large "for sale" pile of my duplicates. I am pretty sure there were two more of the 5th/3rd center pin knives in it.
Going to go check now. May be a while. :)

Any thoughts on the two pin variations on those 4th/1st I posted? I have never heard anything about those before.
 
If you are talking about the scale pins? Stumps, the holes for the pins were drilled wherever the knife maker wanted. It is just an accident where they located the rivets. The same belongs to the front pin too. Not until Buck started with the three scale pins they used a drilling template. Joe H. wrote this in an old thread.

Haebbie
 
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Mark,

I hadn't noticed that pin variation on the 4th/1st. Now you are making me pull my knives out to look.
 
Okay…it didn't take as long to locate as I thought it might since they are all labeled.

I found two more of the 5th/3rd 110s with the centered rear pin.
The one with the #2 sticker is the same as the one I posted in post #1 above.
BUT…the #1 labeled knife does have glued and pinned covers. It also shows grind marks inside the frame.

I would guess from what Bert says is that this #1 labeled knife is the earliest of the transition towards the two dots.



 
Haebbie said:
If you are talking about the scale pins? Stumps, the holes for the pins were drilled wherever the knife maker wanted. It is just an accident where they located the rivets. The same belongs to the front pin too. Not until Buck started with the three scale pins they used a drilling template. Joe H. wrote this in an old thread. Haebbie
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Ok but how about the knives with 4 scale pins? I thought that happened because Buck was using up parts that already had the two pin locations pre drilled?

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Not a 110 collector in the historical sense but really enjoy the information. Knowledge is power :thumbup:
 
DSS, that's the point: They drilled a number of frames before and didn't like to leave a hole open or to waste them. So they used all the three rivet holes.

Haebbie.
 
Stumps,

Hang on to the one with grind marks, unless you want to sell it to me. Those are hard to find.

Bert
 
Haebbie,

The same belongs to the front pin too.
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I am not sure if you are talking about the front scale pin or the blade rivet on the front bolster. If it is the blade rivet, that was not random. The more or less centered blade rivet on the sintered frame knives is sort of a change and not a change. The distance of the blade rivet from the top of the bolster did not change, but since the bolster on the sintered knives was wider, at first glance it appears to have moved because there is more bolster below the rivet. If the distance to the blade rivet from the top of the bolster/frame had changed, the geometry of the lockbar would had to have changed. That happened with the Two Dot knives.

Bert
 
I was talking about the scale pin. And yes, Bert, the position of the bolster rivet belongs to the width of the bolsters. Thank you for declaration.

Haebbie
 
I have dissasembled 110's with 3 scale pins that had the fourth drilled (cast) and not used if this is of any help.

Jerad
 
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