Buck 120 general

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Hi,
I thought about buying a Buck 120 General form 1992 (steel 425m). The main purpose will outdoor use, so my question is, whether the knife will withstand some batoning or chopping? What are your experiences? I know, there are plenty of other choices for a camp or outdoor knife, I just always liked the design of the 120 and it's a classic blade.
 
I would look for an older model made of 440-C. I would also get an axe. The tip of the 120 is a little small for batoning.
 
I believe you'd be better off with the Buck 124 Frontiersman if you are going to baton much with a fixed blade. I just feel the handle construction on the 124 is more accommodating for that type of activity. I'd also second the recommendation for a hatchet or small axe.
 
ml, Welcome to the Buck Forum. The 120 is a very good quartering / boning knife. I've used my for camp and cutting chores for years. I don't baton any knife. I think hammer has the better solution. Get a model 124 if you want to baton. DM
 
Hi,
I thought about buying a Buck 120 General form 1992 (steel 425m). The main purpose will outdoor use, so my question is, whether the knife will withstand some batoning or chopping? What are your experiences? I know, there are plenty of other choices for a camp or outdoor knife, I just always liked the design of the 120 and it's a classic blade.

I'm not sure you can be assured that a 1992 knife will be 425m. That year is the approximate change to 420HC so how would you know for sure. I agree with what others have said about the 124 being a better bet if you must baton with a knife because it has a full width tang and a stouter blade. Earlier 440C steel knives before Buck went to a full hollow grind have a thicker cross section closer to the edge, that would argue as tiguy7 said for an earlier pre 1982 knife. It's already said though, the small hatchet wins the battoning/chopping task hands down. Some 120 pics just for fun. This sequence takes us from early 60's at the top to 2013 at the bottom. The first 6 would be 440C and the next 2 425m. All knives in the third picture are 420HC.

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DSS, the first six, aren't they made of 440c? Haebbie

Yes, you and David caught my mistake, thanks. I'll correct my text.

Just of fun I looked up the differences in the 440 steels...

Type 440—a higher grade of cutlery steel, with more carbon, allowing for much better edge retention when properly heat-treated. It can be hardened to approximately Rockwell 58 hardness, making it one of the hardest stainless steels. Due to its toughness and relatively low cost, most display-only and replica swords or knives are made of 440 stainless. Available in four grades: 440A, 440B, 440C, and the uncommon 440F (free machinable). 440A, having the least amount of carbon in it, is the most stain-resistant; 440C, having the most, is the strongest and is usually considered more desirable in knifemaking than 440A[citation needed], except for diving or other salt-water applications.

 
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I don't know how much batoning your planning on doing with a model 120. However, my brother uses a Buck 119 to field dress whitetail deer & hogs from 1979 to present. He always batonned that model thru the pelvis. By picking up a good size rock and giving it a few hits on the spine. This always made me cringe and I never thought it to be good knife etiquette especially when good hatches and saws are available. Or a better field dressing technique. Still, I realize this is in the mind set of some guys. I would bet good American money he's hammered that knife through over one hundred pelvises through these years with no perceived damage to the knife. Yet, I don't advocate this activity. DM
 
Well David they know your likes in the outdoors, coyotes..ha. I will opinion as everyone else is. Like David I am not a knife whacking sort of guy. I usually have too small of a knife to wack anything but a toothpick with. But, I do have a couple of axe's, a tomahawk, three hatchets and one machete. I saw deer and elk hip joints. I understand that using a big knife to whack stuff is shown in other forums, U-tube and printed media. Who would have thought we would come to having testing story's written about which knife is the best "whacker".

I think ml100 is trying to achieve the good and bad here at the same time. The history of Buck knives like the 120 began before Buck was even a shed business. If you look at the old photos the Buck brothers were making large and long "Bowie" type knives from the very beginning. If you look closer you will read where long fixed blades were made for men going overseas, especially at the beginning of the Pacific front in WW2.

These were like Jim Bowie's EDC and intended to be used for survival and for the defending of one's life to the point, one of parties was going to experience death. During 'Nam' the 120 along with other of the larger Buck fixed blades were a status symbol strapped to the shoulder straps of a rucksack. I have heard several people tell about theirs as we have heard here on the Buck forum also. My man-to-man training did not give me the option of having a 120 sized knife, all I could have was a 110/112 sized. If it came down to the point of taking a life or letting mine go, while out of ammo, I always felt between my collapsible baton and my 112 used in tandem I could overcome a criminal, I was not so sure with only a blade, no matter the size. If ml100 has a really good buy on that 120 then he could give it a try but be aware when too much is too much an knife damage is starting. The problem with that is it sneaks up on you.

Currently my 'Zombie' knife is a 440c 119. My opinion. 300
 
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From 16-32 years old, my outdoor/camp knife was a 124 in 440C steel.
I used the heck out of it, and chopped and hacked a great deal of wood with it......
I gave that knife to my brother years ago.
Awesome knife.

I recently aquired a seven inch blade 2014 Buck Thug in 1095 steel with flat ground blade, to be my camp knife.
I highly recommend that knife if there is batoning going on :)
Although I use an axe or hatchet to deal with wood, I did briefly test the Thug and it certainly works well for that.
 
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I think your good to go

I don't have a 120 but I got a 119 with 420hc and it's great for camping I use it for everything from batoning and chopping wood to cutting up apples and steak lol.

ZTD
 
So what's up with 420HC? I recently acquired a new Frontiersman and I don't think I've ever had a 420HC knife before. It was quite sharp out of the box and has held the factory edge impressively well which has me rethinking my position regarding large-ish fixed blades made of stainless steel for outdoorsy use.
 
Thanks again for the input. I do not plan to do a lot of batoning. I just wondered, whether there is some (bad) experience with that.
 
So what's up with 420HC? I recently acquired a new Frontiersman and I don't think I've ever had a 420HC knife before. It was quite sharp out of the box and has held the factory edge impressively well which has me rethinking my position regarding large-ish fixed blades made of stainless steel for outdoorsy use.

Personally I love Buck's 420HC
Stays sharp nicely, and is easily sharpened when dull. A great compromise of those two factors.
 
Thanks again for the input. I do not plan to do a lot of batoning. I just wondered, whether there is some (bad) experience with that.

Just my opinion, but......
An older 120 in 440C should handle some light batoning to make some kindling in an emergency.
Just stay away from the tip of the blade with the baton.
But..... like mentioned before, a knife like the 124 with a full width and length tang, is going to be way better for that.
 
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