buck hoodlum first impression...confused

zyhano

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Hey guys,

yesterday I received my new buck hoodlum, a knife I pretty much wanted from the moment it was announced. Needless to say, I was pretty excited to see it arrive.

My first reaction to holding an inspecting the knife was a bit strange.

The weight pleasantly surprised me, I knew it was pretty light for a knife that large (especially compared to my esee junglas) and the balance is very nicely situated under the choil, feels really well.

the sharpness is pretty good from the factory, shaves hair and slices paper over the full length of the blade.

It's a little less big than I made it in my head I think, especially the height was something that I imagined would be a little more. but hey, that's expectations.

The shape of the handle and the choil are very good for me, though I think Ron Wood has slightly bigger hands than me, since the forward choil grip makes me spread my ringfinger a little more than I'd like, I'll see how it goes after I've used it some more. Also, the rear part of micarta of the normal grip choil is a bit pointy, I can see irritation coming up in use, I'd maybe have to sand it down a bit.

But, handling so far has been nice.

The color and the shape.. are beautiful as I see it. The handle with it's slight angle and large angled pommel gives me a good grip.

My issues with the knife came upon inspecting the edge.

The extreme tip of the knife has a grind burn spot on it :confused:
What? Isn't it oil, or dirt, or a piece of the sheath?
No, definitely a burnt metal spot.

Furthermore, the tip isn't a perfect V, it's a bit offcentered (see next issue)

Then, when inspecting the edge, not only is it not a V, one side is more obtuse than the other, but it is also a wavy grind. In the pictures attached you can clearly see both issues.

THen, the sheath. I really dislike the plastic insert in the sheath. THe nylon outside it fine and looks strong, the sowing is good.
But the plastic insert, it has no retention, and the knife makes a sound from banging against it in the sheath.
Why not kydex? It's so much better than the type of plastic used.

Then, there was still grind dust ON the screws from where the micarta has been drilled which led me to inspect the handle a bit more.

Right now, I'm in a state where I'm really having a good look at all the details.
The fit and finish of the handle is not as good as (my reference) my Esee junglas.

I know they are different knives, but they are in the same price category, and the junglas was just flawless in F&F, from grind, to handle, to coating to sheath. For about the same price. I'm posting a review from the junglas on an expedition in FInland in about two weeks on my channel and I'm very happy with that blade. So my expectations of the hoodlum were in the same category.

back to the handle, the handles are not totally flush. Granted, you'd have to take a good look, but after the burnt tip and the grind, I'm looking really close. The screw holes are still a little jagged, not 'deburred' for not knowing another word for it.

I like buck knives, this knife is very usable and I still like it enormously, let me get that clear.
I had expected a bit more though. the handle and sheath things I can live with, but the burnt tip and grind is too bad. Especially when I compare it to the flawlessness of previously mentioned junglas.

I'll contact buck about it too, this shouldn't have passed their Q&A imo.

Only being disappointed about it or posting bad stuff just isn't me. I'll use the knife, happily :)
Since sending it back would be expensive from the Netherlands I guess that will not be an option.

So, what do you think? Is this something I should just accept? I should just expect for a $170 knife? From buck?


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I definitely see the wavy grind.

That tells me to look for variability in the thickness of the primary grind. (i.e. - the primary grind is slightly thinner behind where the edge is wider.) Is that the case with your knife? If you have a caliper, you can easily check this. Sometimes you will also be able to feel this by running you fingers along the length of the blade.
 
I have received a response from buck about this issue and you cannot help but admire the way they handle it.

I have described the issue and sent the pictures and they responded by offering to replace it free of charge including paying shipping costs from and to the netherlands. They appreciated the feedback and were open in their communication.

I'm very impressed by this and their willingness to set this straight.

As for me, after my initial findings, I now know rationally that it does not matter.

I sharpen my own knives freehand and am doing a pretty good job at it. So wavy grind and off balance V is a non issue.

The discoloration is not that big and I can get rid of it if I want to. Costs me maybe 2-3 mm on the tip IF it affects performance at all.

After using it a bit chopping up a couple of filled water bottles in front of the little ones (they laughed their things off :)), doing some wood hacking and box chopping there was ('of course' I'm inclined to say) nothing I could notice about it.

I decided to not take them up on their offer, since it would only cost them and I'm using this knife anyway. I already expressed my thanks to them and compliments on how they handle business

So maybe this post started of as a dissapointment in the knife.
Right now, I'm happy with the knife, as I said, weight, feel, look use cases etc: it's all fine for me!
It's just the expectation of getting something that you have build up to be perfect in your mind. And then reality kicks in a little.

On the other hand, buck really comes through for this customer. This is a huge thing for me, since when I order something in the US, I also know that I live in the netherlands and when there is an issue, I'm 'here' and the company is 'there'. The world then suddenly is a big place and the US far away. So, I already liked buck knives, that didn't change with this hoodlum. But now I also really like the way they do business having experienced this first hand.

Kudos to buck, they know how it should be done!
 
After reading this Wednesday I stopped by the Buck factory store yesterday and handled the Hoodlum knife Buck had on display. I was kind of supprised to see all the problems you had were present on the display knife, including a burn spot on the blade tip. When Buck did the Strider collaborations many of the 888, 880, and 881 models from the early run had mis-matched grinds so maybe the initial Hoodlum run may have some QC issues also. It is a cool knife design but for the money Buck "should" be delivering a better product. The factory store only had a display knife and none for sale right now. Factory store price will be $185.
 
Did you get to handle the knife in the field yet? I've been watching the development of this thing since they released the promo videos and started marketing it and hyping it up. It'd be cool to hear your thoughts on how it handled for chopping or batoning, especially when comparing to a Esee Junglas that you have on hand! I've been looking at the hoodlum, junglas, and the bk9 for months trying to make a decision.
 
Did you get to handle the knife in the field yet? I've been watching the development of this thing since they released the promo videos and started marketing it and hyping it up. It'd be cool to hear your thoughts on how it handled for chopping or batoning, especially when comparing to a Esee Junglas that you have on hand! I've been looking at the hoodlum, junglas, and the bk9 for months trying to make a decision.
I havent' been able to handle it in the field yet.
I can say that it cuts waterbottles, cardboard, construction wood and 5 inch birchtrees without a problem. It also cleans nails :) that's about the use I have given it.

I did finish up my esee junglas review in finland, it'll be up on my youtube channel tomorrow. It's awesome, a week long of hard use, check it out.

I might do a table top with some field work on the hoodlum, since it will be a while before I can do another expedition type review on it.
I'm pretty excited about using it in the great outdoors, so next opportunity I get, I'll try it out. Since I'm getting a new motor, I might do a little motor trip to the forests of france or germany pretty soon.
 
Play with it a few days, if you don't like it, I'll trade you a pigsticker for it. :rolleyes::D
 
I played with it today in the woods.
chopped through some logs, made some walking sticks and hacked the limbs of a dead tree.
I has a nice reach and holds the edge .
my initital guess that the handle would be too sharp or uncomfortable was right and I can see it being a problem with longer use.
with gloves it won't be a problem.
But I'm gonna try and sand it down a little.

I like the blade, it's swing and it's looks. It functions pretty well otherwise.
ABout the mentioned 'shock mitigation system': There actually isn't a lot of shock involved in the handle when chopping through wood. which is pretty good for a light knife this big.

The choil is really a perfect addition, I instinctively go for it when doing finer work.

I'll keep you guys posted.
 
Sorry to hear of the bad luck Zyhano! I just received mine this past week, and I gotta say its perfect and I love it! It is unfortunate to see yours that way, but hopefully it is in the minority. Its a great knife, so how are you liking it now??

Heres a teaser shot until the SPS :D
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I saw your review of the Junglas,very cool!Which one do you like the best?
Hey skyhorse, I haven't had much QT with the hoodlum yet, but I am liking it very much. The weight of the junglas makes it a more powerful tool, but the lighter weight of the hoodlum makes it a lot faster and the sharp pointy tip is very useful for fine work and piercing.

Sorry to hear of the bad luck Zyhano! I just received mine this past week, and I gotta say its perfect and I love it! It is unfortunate to see yours that way, but hopefully it is in the minority. Its a great knife, so how are you liking it now??

Heres a teaser shot until the SPS :D
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Hey PFI, what's an SPS? Good that you like the knife :thumbup: congrats, I like it too. I'm off for a weekend of fun next week and will do a lot of testing on the hoodlum, preparing for a video review. There's real fire risk so we'll make no fires, but that won't mean I cannot process a lot of wood right :)
 
Zyhano, SPS- (Sunday Picture Show) is the thread that itstooearly starts every sunday. Check it out in the buck forum this weekend! ;) I look forward to your review!
 
I've been considering both knives mentioned in this thread. The Hoodlum and the Junglas. Not sure what I would do with either but they both look nice.
 
I've been considering both knives mentioned in this thread. The Hoodlum and the Junglas. Not sure what I would do with either but they both look nice.
they are nice. In 'normal' life I don't have a need for either of them, but luckily I'm able to go places where I can actually use them, but to be honest, I would not really need them there either, although they are very useful there. It's just for fun and kicks.

I am likeing mine more and more each day!!!


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Thanks!
I am likeing mine more and more each day!!!


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Thanks!
cool pics jcs, how do you feel about the handle and how it feels in your hand. The sharp ridges bother me a bit without gloves, do you feel the same?
 
The sharp edges where the only thing I didn't like at first!
I just sanded them down with sand paper NO ISSUES now!!

Realy like this knife!!!
I will be getting a second!!

THANKS
 
I not sure if you saw the Review on the Buck Hoodlum over on BCUSA, a guy from Sweden , his name is Sealegs.
He has a really great review and Ron Hood has chimed in several times.
Check it out .

THANKS!!
 
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