Cane sword question

Mark Williams

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My neighbor has what looks to be a very old sword.I'm not sure if is called a sword or not .It has a handle of what appears to be a bamboo root that is curved like a cane handle.I can make out a few letter that loks like SOLENGE on the side. The blade is square shaped steel that makes a gradual taper down to a point. Does anyone know anything about this thing.
Thanks

Mark
 
Without seeing it, I'd guess that it was a swordcane made from a Solingen Steel foil blade. Bamboo was a traditional favourite for a lot of older swordcanes, because the joints made great natural split-points for separating the scabbard. It had a tendency to split under lateral pressure, but if I'm guessing correctly, and this is, indeed a foil blade, it wouldn't have been an issue.

Can you post any pics of the piece? I love swordcanes of all shapes, sizes, and ages!! I'd love to see your piece.

The maker I worked with, Eric Spornhauer, made a great many wickedly effective swordcanes from foil blades that he mounted--not only were they almost invisible on a thrust (and thus, very hard to avoid), but they could deliver savage whipping strokes, for less-lethal situations, say with animals or such. With even my terrible technique, though, a thrust from one of these blades could penetrate almost totally through a Metro phonebook.

It sounds like a great find...I'd love to see pics, so I can be sure that I've guessed correctly, though!

Kal

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But please be aware that they are considered as a concealed weapon in almost all jurisdictions, so be very careful about carrying one and, if you do, how you use it.
 
Thanks for the info Kal , I'll get my neighbor to take some pics.Do You or anyone have a clue as to what time frame this could be from?

Mark
 
...What, with my experience making these things being limited to a few months working with Eric, before he quit, but just at a guess, I'd say probably sometime after 1830?

It strikes me that most of the swordcanes out there fall into one of three rather hazily defined categories:

1. The "Gentleman's" swordcane--Usually shaped like the familiar crook-top or handled cane we are all familiar with. Usually has a thin blade, and is often meant only for thrusting.

2. The "Renaissance Walking Stick"--These are where the real artistry happens, most of the time. They can be any size or shape, and are often very intricate, both in decoration and operation. Hidden spring catches, spring-loaded spikes, and odd reservoirs or chambers are all reasonably common, here. Blades here tend to be more along the rapier or smallsword line, given the styles of the period.

3. And, finally, the "Stealth Weapon" sticks--These are where you get things like the Japanese Bankers Canes, the Zatoichi Stick, and the ever-popular 'Blind Fury.' Some other weapons get lumped into this category, too, although they may not necessarily be considered swordcanes, per se. I put things like the Bo-Yari and the dual-blade baton in this category. While it is not altogether impossible to find very nicely crafted and intricate examples of mechanisms and stylings in this form, most often the goal is to make the stick or cane look as commonplace and unassuming as is possible. To this end, you'll find odd-sized and bizarrely-shaped blades, fitted into gnarled and twisted shafts, a lot more often than in either of the previous two categories. And oftentimes, the fittings are simple friction-fit between the scabbard and blade, to ease not only construction, but also to hasten the draw.

My assumption, Gouge, is that you have a Group 1 piece. Possibly carried in Europe (where the bamboo swordcanes were very popular with the Colonial Brits, although practically any nation that traded abroad had at least a few of these types of things floating about), or from the Southern US (where many a Riverboat Gambler in New Orleans or 'Swamp Merchant' in Florida might have carried a surprise with them!). Once I see pics, I might be able to give you a better idea about it. That it has a Solingen Blade tends to make me think that it is more likely from the 20th century, since--if I remember from my time with Eric--it's been a lot more common this century to put 'other blades' (i.e., blades that started life as something else) into swordcanes. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that Solingen didn't make that blade with the specific goal of it becoming a swordcane, but I could be wrong. I'll wait for the pics, before espousing any further theories, rather than make a real gaff, here.

Oh, and FullerH is right, you or your friend has a real nice display piece, there. If you choose to carry it on the street, and a nice Officer finds out that you have it, count on spending some time discovering the joys of our Legal system. These things are more illegal than an unregistered Class III AK-47 for the average Joe to carry. You can own it, collect it, or make one. Just be aware that if you're caught with one on the street...you're busted.

So don't get caught, okay? :D

Kal
 
The father of a friend of mine back in college used to make them and sell them or trade them at gun shows up and down the Mid-Atlantic states in the late 1950s and the 1960s. They were always sold as "Collectors Items" with the warning that carrying them was illegal almost everywhere. but some did wind up in use. Not a few went to VietNam, where they proved quite useful in bars and such, and one particular one went to Selma, Alabama, with a Federal Marshal in 1965. He eventually found himself being forced into a corner by a mob of angry white supremacist types and, not wishing to escalate by using his revolver, he started to push them back with his cane. That was until some bright boy grabbed the end and pulled at it, baring about 29" of polished steel with a needle sharp point on it. When he charged the Marshal with a broken bottle, he wound up with that arm pinned to a door frame by the sword. As the Marshal later told Rex Roy when he was buying a few more for himself and his co-workers, "It must hurt something fearful to have that blade through your bicep." But it had done its job, it broke up the mob with only the one wound.
 
I finally got some shots of the sword.sorry for the poor quality.
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That IS a nice piece. From what I can make out, it's definitely a Solingen blade. Almost certainly a foil blade, mated to whatever handle material that is (it almost looks like a very narrow blackthorn, but that's hard to tell without being able to see past the outer layer).

It's a little bit surprising to me that the foil was left so long...it looks like about 24" of blade, there. Most of the foil-based canes I've seen were cut down to about 20" or less, to keep them from getting wildly whippy. Of course, these were more modern pieces, made for folks who fight more with a broadsword or katana mentality, more than a culture used to pure fencing as a form of self-defense.

Did you get the shaft for this piece, as well? If so, you have a bit of a prize, I would guess. Interesting to me, there seems to be an index-mark on the handle--it looks like a tack or brad, and was used to help insure that new users didn't cram the blade back into the shaft the wrong way, and risk damaging the fit. From that, I'd surmise that this was a friction-fit piece. Probably used a leather-lined shaft for a snug fit, and to keep it from rattling.

I dunno...if you're into that type of thing, you might want to have it appraised, as is. If not, then I'd clean it up, get the rust off, and proudly add it to the collection!

:)

Kal
 
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