Carothers and Guns

tinfoil hat timmy said:
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Mosin Nagant

Otherwise stock GLOCK pistols are legit good.
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I'm sure that Glocks are great 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., Nth handguns. I get their merit of simplicity, ruggedness and their ease of use but I never warmed up to them, striker fire system and all that. My thing for good or for bad, is going to be DA/SA ;)

The only thing that makes me hesitant about the Sig SP2022 which I mentioned is that the decocker and the slide release lever are positioned in the reverse of how they are positioned on my CZ which will throw my muscle memory into a tizzy!

That Mosin is like a must have on most folks' lists!
 
^ I'm trying to think of a handgun that I have fired with a worse trigger than a Glock and I'm drawing a blank...


Don't get me wrong, I love the handguns. They serve their purpose and I would totally own one, but that trigger...
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
An old Kimber .45 and an AR-15. Both in good repair, reliable and accurate, and becoming quite beat to shit
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I'd be lying if I don't mention that I have often salivated over a Kimber .45 ACP and although I can afford it (fair warning: it will come at your expense :p :D ) I'd just rather stick with a 2nd 9mm which if it happens to rattle around inside the Pelican case, I would not care if it wasn't inside a beautiful deer skin lined holster ;)
 
Oh I wouldn't buy a Kimber today. A bunch of MIM parts and other crap. I don't think they make them like they used to. But that's what I've got. An old one and I think it's pretty good.

I wouldn't buy a .45 either. 20 years ago it did the job, but today a 9mm can do that job and you have much greater capacity. but I'm not interested in retraining a bunch of old muscle memory so I will stick with my old .45s

if I were 20 years old today and looking for my pistol I'd probably be looking at something like a SIG P226


Christ I sound old. Honest I'm not. But when I was a kid, a Remington 700 was a good rifle...
 
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^^^ We have a 10 round limit here ;) The good news though, if & when I move a bit further east (AZ / NM / TX may be in danger of inheriting me :D) I can buy the higher capacity mags so it's no problem.

Remember when I was infatuated with 1911s a while back? Welp, I'm now over 'em, kinda ;)
 
Oh the 1911 was a great pistol! 100 years ago...

I have lived to 44 years now and the only living things I have ever shot were either bothering me or were going to be eaten. I have never needed more capacity. hell, my rifle I would frequently just load with one round. Shot a lot of deer like that because the recoil would damage my handloads down in the magazine otherwise. But if I ever needed a pistol as a weapon of self-defense I would prolly wish I had gone with a modern alternative to be .45s I keep now. So, I love the .45 but I would never recommend one.
 
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My deer rifle is a 90s vintage Jarrett beanfield rifle built on a Remington 700 and I have drilled a lot of deer across a lot of different ranges with it with outstanding results over the years. It gave me the false impression that the REM 700 was the ultimate bolt action. Apparently it used to be pretty good but I hear it's not so great anymore...
 
1AbominAble1 said:
S&W Sigma, absolutely horrid!
Made a Glock feel like a 1911.
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In fairness when they were first released they had the same trigger as a Glock because they were almost a line by line copy of a Glock. Glock sued and they settled out of court agreeing to re-engineer the trigger enough to not be considered a copy and that's when it got absolutely atrocious followed by discontinued. I have a feeling Glock was given the right to sign off on the redesign... LOL, wink, wink

My kid brother wanted his first pistol shortly after it came out so I took him shopping and that's what he picked. I got to have some trigger time on an original and it wasn't too bad.


Casinostocks Casinostocks - based on what you are saying it's really hard to beat a Beretta 92 or better yet a Beretta Cougar (in Inox and Walnut no less) I swore of anything SA/DA years ago and the last to go were my Beretta's, which pained me.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Oh the 1911 was a great pistol! 100 years ago...

I have lived to 44 years now and the only living things I have ever shot were either bothering me or were going to be eaten. I have never needed more capacity. hell, my rifle I would frequently just load with one round. Shot a lot of deer like that because the recoil would damage my handloads down in the magazine otherwise. But if I ever needed a pistol as a weapon of self-defense I would prolly wish I had gone with a modern alternative to be .45s I keep now. So, I love the .45 but I would never recommend one.
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I still love my 1911s and .45s in general ... my Sig P220s are a close second to my 1911s. But I have to agree Kimber's quality took a hit ... they aren't near the gun they once were. And not all 1911 parts are interchangeable in Kimber 1911s which is a drawback for me.

For people getting into shooting now I would also agree 9mm ammo has come a long way and it's plenty of gun for defensive purposes ... cheaper to shoot also.

I never felt a big need for extra rounds ... 8 in my 1911 and a couple spare mags should get me to my rifle and shotgun ... if the handgun wasn't enough.

I do really like my Sig pistols ... and my HK P30 9mm I like alot ... I still am on the fence with striker fired pistols but the Sig P365 has impressed me so far. I need to put more rounds through it but so far so good.
 
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Should try a S&W Shield with the Apex Duty/Carry trigger kit ;):thumbsup::D
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- erased a knife from picture out of respect for CPK.
 
I have all my guns I buy shipped to the local police station for background checks. They really like looking at all the weird shit my brothers and I buy.
The police there only use stock guns mostly Glocks for legal reasons. I guess they don’t want to go to court and explain the Changes.
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
I still love my 1911s and .45s in general ... my Sig P220s are a close second to my 1911s. But I have to agree Kimber's quality took a hit ... they aren't near the gun they once were. And not all 1911 parts are interchangeable in Kimber 1911s which is a drawback for me.
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I was an IDPA Range Officer for at least two matches a month (druing season) plus many Steel Plate and 3-Gun tournaments for almost 10 years and the 1911's I saw fail more than anything else were Kimbers and Wilson's. I'm not talking failures to feed or fire, I'm talking hemorrhaging parts. Totally anecdotal but my real world firing line experience.

I had a Gen 1 Kimber Compact I bought new in the 90's and was so happy with it I bought one of their 22 bolt rifles when they came out. Total train wreck and I had such a horrible customer service experience after the third trip back for the rifle I verified it was finally fixed and sold them both.

I am a 1911 fan to the core and have around 17 in the safe from Sig, Les Baer, Ed Brown, Dan Wesson, Springfield and a Custom Benchmark Precision and they have all been rock solid. Some after several thousand rounds, some less but they are all north of 500.
 
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cpirtle said:
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Casinostocks Casinostocks - based on what you are saying it's really hard to beat a Beretta 92 or better yet a Beretta Cougar (in Inox and Walnut no less) I swore of anything SA/DA years ago and the last to go were my Beretta's, which pained me.
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Chad, I've owned this Cheetah (84B) for almost 25 years now:

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This 84B is in such darn great shape that I don't want it to be my "beater" plus the fact that .380 ACP has some other limitations / drawback for my purpose. Other than that, this 84B is being a very good backup home defense handgun for my current urban setting. I really like the Beretta M9 but I just wanted a more compact one than the 92FS / M9. The polymer based Sig SP2022 which I had mentioned seems like a really good handgun for a lot less than the full metal ones but surprisingly, it doesn't seem to have much traction which I also understand when the competition for many other folks is the Gen-5 Glock 19 for $50 or so less.
 
I wouldn't suggest treating your 84 as a beater either, it has more collect-ability than either ones I mentioned. Although I could argue the ones mentioned are a great choice since they share similar trigger systems and lineage so muscle memory switching between them is going to be very similar if not identical.

If you like the Beretta the PX4 Compact may be a good choice, but they are more expensive that the SP2022.

As for the SP2022 they are a full size pistol also and fairly blocky. They have a ton of use in foreign military and LEO, especially coming out of the academies because they are a rock solid inexpensive pistol. The SP2022 and the Ruger P89 are very popular among the uniformed LEO community as well as other uniformed security that are allowed to carry because they are worn on heavy duty belts, reliable and inexpensive. Because they see so much use in those area's they tend to show up in bulk on the used market when agencies upgrade and keep the value low, and may have the perception as being cheap because they are so inexpensive - that's JMO.

I struggle with the beater concept because, with the exception of heirlooms, I treat all of my firearms the same and if they get dinged up during good honest use so be it. The pistol I throw in my truck with a bunch of mags when we're heading out for a long weekend, driving vacation or just want a little extra to my concealment piece is an HK VP9. Even that's in a padded and divided case though.
 
cpirtle said:
I wouldn't suggest treating your 84 as a beater either, it has more collect-ability than either ones I mentioned. Although I could argue the ones mentioned are a great choice since they share similar trigger systems and lineage so muscle memory switching between them is going to be very similar if not identical.

If you like the Beretta the PX4 Compact may be a good choice, but they are more expensive that the SP2022.

As for the SP2022 they are a full size pistol also and fairly blocky. They have a ton of use in foreign military and LEO, especially coming out of the academies because they are a rock solid inexpensive pistol. The SP2022 and the Ruger P89 are very popular among the uniformed LEO community as well as other uniformed security that are allowed to carry because they are worn on heavy duty belts, reliable and inexpensive. Because they see so much use in those area's they tend to show up in bulk on the used market when agencies upgrade and keep the value low, and may have the perception as being cheap because they are so inexpensive - that's JMO.

I struggle with the beater concept because, with the exception of heirlooms, I treat all of my firearms the same and if they get dinged up during good honest use so be it. The pistol I throw in my truck with a bunch of mags when we're heading out for a long weekend, driving vacation or just want a little extra to my concealment piece is an HK VP9. Even that's in a padded and divided case though.
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Great insight Chad, many thanks :thumbsup:
 
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