Cast Nets (Throwing Nets)

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Doc asked about cast nets. Here is what I know.

It has been a while since I played around with cast nets. I experimented with them when I realized that there were plenty of small fish around which could be eaten or used for bait. I normally caught and ate big fish that could be filleted and boned easily, but I’d learned to process smaller fish and found they were good to eat. That’s another topic though.

A cast net is a more-or-less circular net with a rope attached to it. You throw it over a school of small fish or prawns then haul it in.

There is a ‘bolt rope’ tied around the circumference of the net. This is typically a strong bit of cord that will be somewhat thicker than the twine that the net is made from. Attached to the bolt rope are some regularly spaced weights to enable the net to sink. The more weight, the quicker the net should sink and the more likely you may be to catch certain fish.

As far as I am aware, there are two ways of helping to ensure that the fish get trapped in the net as it closes over them. The theoretical best way is to have drawstrings, which I’ll explain..... and the other is to have pockets.

The drawstring net. This requires the net to have a hole at its very center..... and this hole may be created by having a special ‘donut’ made of wood or plastic which is tightly bound to the hole at the center. The donut really needs to have a groove cut around its circumference to allow the net to be bound to it securely. If you pick up the net by holding the donut, the donut will then be at the apex of the cone formed as the net lifts from the center. There might be 12 draw strings. These are of equal length. They are tied to the bolt rope (evenly spaced out around the outer circumference of the net) and pass along the underside of the net and come out through the donut with about a foot to spare. All the drawstrings are then tied together, and the tether rope is tied to the bunch of drawstrings.

If your net is eight feet in diameter, then each drawstring might be around five feet in length.

When you throw a cast net with drawstrings, it should land flat over the top of the fish. It will then sink. As it sinks, it goes from a flat shape, to a cone shape. If the water is deep enough, the weights will completely come together. As the fisherman pulls the tether cord, the draw strings pull up the circumference of the net inside the net. When the weights get pulled right up to the donut, they can’t pass through it and the fish are trapped.

The drawstring net is a wonderful theory, and maybe some folks have great success with it. But I found that it was not practical to use. You had to make sure the draw strings didn’t tangle or catch on anything and it was just too much trouble. Perhaps being used by an expert over deep, still water with a flat sandy bottom it is the ideal type of net.

I prefer the pocket style of cast net. Much simpler.

This net doesn’t have a donut. The tether cord is simply bound to the apex of the net (the center of the net). Every two feet or so around the outer circumference, the bolt rope is lifted maybe six or eight inches up inside the net (i.e. the underside of the net) and it is tied to the net wall. This creates a series of crude pockets..... or maybe more correctly, it creates one continuous “wavy” pocket around the inside of the bottom of the net. You throw this net over the fish, it sinks and forms a cone.... as you pull it up the fish roll down the wall of the net and are theoretically caught in the pockets.

I made a couple of cast nets from commercial netting. This particular netting had a mesh size of maybe an inch. I did not cut a circle from the net. For a start the net I had wasn’t big enough to give me an eight foot circle..... plus it is very hard to keep a bit of netting evenly stretched to cut an even shape from it.

I made my net from six equilateral triangles of net. I did not simply cut out the triangles like a bit of dress fabric, I carefully counted the meshes to keep all the triangles the same size. A professional net maker explained the process to me, but I can’t recall exactly what I did. I may have some diagrams somewhere, but right now I don’t know where they are. I do recall having a simple understanding in mind that sometimes you were cutting a bar and sometimes you were cutting something else (called a knot or a mesh maybe)..... If you look at a net you will see that some sides of the mesh have a knot in them, and some don’t. When you have designed a net you know the exact size of the mesh, so by counting the meshes rather than measuring you are much more likely to get the shape of net you are after. It is impractical to simply lay the net out flat and to cut a triangle from it because the tension in the net will hardly ever be even and things will pull out of shape. The design calculations were fairly simple as I recall, but I can’t really explain them without my diagrams or a bit of net in front of me.

My net was made from what I recall to be a spun, three-ply synthetic. I laced the sections together using a spun polyester bag stitching thread. I tried using the ‘proper’ net twine, but it was too slippery to hold a knot properly. Maybe I was using the wrong knots, but I’m danged if I can see how any net knot would hold in this stuff.

For weights I used ball sinkers. I made the holes bigger in the lead sinkers by driving heavy nails through them.

I used my cast nets only a few times. They were very easy to get snagged. One of the first times I threw one, it got caught on a big, rough, shell-covered rock and I had to dive in to clear it. It got quite damaged.

Cast nets would work best over a flat bottom with minimum obstructions.

Frankly I think I would prefer to buy a ready-made monofilament cast net. I think it would be less likely to snag compared to the fibrous synthetic cord in my existing nets.

I’ve had a quick browse of the web and there seems to be plenty of information around on using these nets. Here is some advice from one of my neighbors downunder:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/961061/how_to_throw_a_baitnet_castnet/

Maybe someone with more experience can offer something else here.

Best wishes for the New Year..... Coote.
 
WOW good info Coote. I would love to try that some time. I do not think It will happen for me though I do not live near the ocean lol and the water for the most part is dark and you can not see into it.

Bryan
 
My experience is limited, but here's my 2 cents...

I've used a cast net of the drawstring type that a friend of mine had. He bought it at a local outfitter and keeps it in his pickup with his other fishing gear. He uses it to catch bait fish for his other fishing. We use it in wadeable streams with pools, mostly sandy or silt bottom, not too many rocks, but some woody debris. You have to be careful where you cast to keep it from getting hung up like coote mentioned.

I was terrible with it. The trick is to get the net to spin out and land right on top of the school of fish you're aiming for. This is easier if you know where they will be, esp. if you can see them well or if you have been baiting the area with bread or a feeder on a semi-regular basis. My buddy's method, which worked really well, was to tie the draw cord around his wrist, then drape the net over his outstretched arm. He gums a section of the bottom cord in his mouth (don't use your teeth!), then swings his whole torso to heave out the net. The edge of the net in his mouth is the last thing to go out, so the net opens up and flies spinning like a big pizza or frisbee. When he's really on, the net will spin out full and land flat like a big dinner plate on top of the surface, so that most of the bottom cord hits the surface at the same time, encircling the fish. Last step is to let it sink for half a second and jerk the drawstring, which is still tied to your wrist.

Getting the whole motion to get the net to spin out and then getting it to land where you want takes a ton of practice. I have never been able to do anything but 1) half yank my teeth out, 2) scare the fish, and 3) throw it like a big wad of netting. My friend gets fish probably 3 out of 5 casts.

I'm sure there are videos out there that show this technique better than I've described it. Hope that was helpful!
 
We commonly use commercially available cast nets for managing our experimental aquaculture ponds. The commercial nets are of the draw string type described by coop. Another feature of a particular brand of cast nets is the 'spreader' ring on the top. This ring does a remarkable job of increasing the consistency of successful net casts by imparting additional rotational momentum during the through.

The nets typically come in sizes from 4' radius to 8' radius. Its easiest to through a net that is shorter than your body length. To throw a net larger than your body length you have to fold the top part and cast with greater force to open it up. Nets also vary in the amount of weight anchored to the bottom. A heavier net will sink faster and is needed in water deeper than about 5' or so. These of course make successive throughs more tiring.

Net throwing consistency takes time and practice, although, unlike some skills this is one that most people get self teach over time. The actual hand holds is a bit hard to explain....I just tried to do it but on re-reading it, I thought it was confusing. I can try and help folks with more of a description if they like.

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Problems as stated are if you close the net on submerged objects you can get your net hung up. Then you have to go into the water to retrieve your net. Advantages of the heavier nets is that they will sink into the muck a bit and will pull out small rocks and pebbles. We are effectively able to capture crayfish using caste nets.

You can capture a wide variety of shoreline fish with this approach. Here is a sampling of some of the perch we were capturing from that experimental pond.

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These are very common here in Florida. I have only seen the drawstring type and they typically come in two mesh sizes; fine for bait fish and coarse for larger fish (primarily mullet). Most professional guides have one and will stop on the way offshore and catch live bait; I have seen them regularly cast 8' nets forming a perfect circle over aschool of bait. I only seem to manage banana shapes, it takes practice and strong arms. Done right they will feed you down here.

The initial post by Coote is right on, and shows how some simple tools are common all over.
 
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My buddy's method, which worked really well, was to tie the draw cord around his wrist, then drape the net over his outstretched arm. He gums a section of the bottom cord in his mouth (don't use your teeth!), then swings his whole torso to heave out the net. The edge of the net in his mouth is the last thing to go out, so the net opens up and flies spinning like a big pizza or frisbee. When he's really on, the net will spin out full and land flat like a big dinner plate on top of the surface, so that most of the bottom cord hits the surface at the same time, encircling the fish. Last step is to let it sink for half a second and jerk the drawstring, which is still tied to your wrist.

That's the way we always did it. I never could get the durn thing to spread out right without part of it in my teeth!!:(
 
Wal mart sales two diff. sizes of cast nets, been wanting to try them myself, there's this lake in the hills of the nat. forest here that has some big fish in it and they just cruise the shore but won't take any bait I present to them so I had thought that a cast net would be the ticket. They cost between 30 to 50 bucks
 
When I lived in central Florida I bought a 4 footer to catch golden shiners for bass fishing. I practiced in my backyard for about 2 hours before I could throw it and it would land in a circle. When you first start throwing one it will land kidney shaped everytime (and you'll catch nothing) With some practice you'll have it down. I would chum the water with oatmeal and cat food and catch a bucket full with one cast!
 
Good job, all. Coote thanks for starting the thread. For those of you, interested, a video is available here, and, I was going to link to a book on making cast nets, but it looks like they don't carry them anymore.

This is a nice little book on netmaking, that teaches you, among other things, how to make the Snapping Turtle trap, I posted in the traps and snares thread.

Just checked, and Amazon carries it (the cast net making book) now.

If I had a good back, I'd definitely be following this up. What a great survival skill!

Doc
 
WOW good info Coote. I would love to try that some time. I do not think It will happen for me though I do not live near the ocean lol and the water for the most part is dark and you can not see into it.

Bryan

Bryan, use them to catch minnows, or bluegill for catfishing. Or you use them across the creek and drive the fish and turtles to them. I know you have creeks there in Nebraska. You could survive with one of those nets. Might find one cheap during the winter.
 
We use them off a boat in the Chesapeake Bay to catch bait for live bait fishing for Strippers, it's a blast of the water is calm enough...On rough days it's comedy.
 
I should note for any Canadians, caste nets are illegal to use in Ontario. We only use them on the aquaculture farm where we can deploy any method of capture without legal recourse.
 
Ive used them for years to catch shad for catfish bait. One good cast will yield enough shad to last all night. I dont bother trying to keep them alive. Instead I dump them in an ice chest to keep them fresh.
 
I'd seen cast nets since I was a kid but had my chance to try one about ten years ago on a research trip with the Shedd Aquarium in the Bahamas. The ship's captain had one and showed me how to use it (The mouth-clamp method) and within 30 minutes I was at about 75%. Used it to catch squid for bait. Tiring, but a TON of fun!

We were casting at night after keeping the stern floodlights on the water for about an hour. Attracted a lot of critters!
 
I bought a cast net with the idea that I would teach myself how to throw it, yeah well, it didn't really work out like that. After looking at a lot of videos on line and practicing in the backyard, I can do OK with it now.

I use it to catch bait, go down to the creek and chum up an area with old bread or cornmeal, throw the net and presto a bucket full of shiners and notty heads for trotlines and such. Good skill to learn IMO. Chris
 
We used casting nets before to get shad for bait. It takes some practice, but once you get it down its not too difficult. Once in a while we would get some bigger fish in there, mostly carp. It would definitly be a good tool for a survivial situation to get some food.
 
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