Clothing and traditional knives.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Oct 2, 2004
Messages
17,489
I know, you're thinking old jackknife has finally gone around the bend and is ready for the rubber knife squad. But hang on a moment.

I've seen a great shift in things in my life, knives among them. Today I see young folks toting knives that when I was a kid would have been shunned as too weird, too punkish, too over the top. Men I grew up around carried old serpintine jacks, stockmen, peanuts, pens, scout patterns. I can't even recall one man carrying a lockblade. The only locking blade I recall when I was a kid was the screwdriver on the TL-29. The only other knives with a lock on them was those Eye-tal-yon switchblade things the drug store hoods with the leather jackets carried.

Today we live in the age of tactical. Tactical knives, tactical guns, tactical clothing, flashights, and so on. Yeah, clothing.

This whole thread came about because last night we were watching some old home movies that John had gotten transferred onto DVD disc. Some were Karen's father and his family down in Brantley County Georga, near Waycross.

There was film footage of Karens grandfather and his kinfolk. All were dignified southern gentlemen and ladies, and even though it was a weekend get together, they were dressed in what today would be called business attire. White shirts neatly pressed, ties, nice dress pants. Karen told me she remebered her grandfather even carrying a spare neatly folded white shirt in the car, so if the one he had on was soiled or sweated in because of the heat, he'd change into a clean shirt. I remember some of those kind of times when I was a kid. Men wore different kinds of clothing then. People actually kept thier shoes shined up and hair cut. There was a different standard then, and I wonder if the evelution in mens clothing had influence on the rise of larger knives in the pocket.

Unless you were some kind of sleeves rolled up blue collar worker, you wore at least what would be considered today, business casual. Even a clerk behind a counter in a 5 and 10 cent store had to wear a nice shirt and tie. Nobody, I mean nobody, wore blue jeans back then exept real ranch hands. My father didn't have one single pair of jeans his whole life. When he wasn't in his grey suit, he had on the ubiquitous Dickies style work pants in some dark non conspicious color. Farmers wore docker style work pants in khaki or dark green or even navy blue. Same for truck drivers, gas station mechanics, the milk man, and the plumber. And even they had nice shirts that buttoned up all the way, sometimes with a bow tie if a dangling tie would be a hazzard. But even on weekends, they put on a nice set of what we would call in this era of casual, dress clothes. And if I could point to one single style of pocket knife that was the knife of that era, it was the 3 and someting like 1/8 or 1/4, serpintine jack. A modest 2 blade little knife that just about eveybody back then carried, and somehow did everythiing in the way of knife chores they had to do.

Now we all know that some pants styles have little leeway for bulky/heavy knives. So I guess it's no wonder that the great depression/WW2 era men, all carried some kind of 3 inch or so small pocket knife in thier semi-dress pants that was the norm of thier day. It was big enough to do what had to be done, but small enough to carry without feeling like a rock in the pocket.

Fast forward to now, and I look around in a resturuant, and at least half the male patrons and thier better halfs are wearing either jeans, for the most part, or even those military looking cargo pants. Nobody dresses anything like what our grandfathers did, and time has moved on. Now, unless you're a doctor, lawyer, or banker, nobody has a real suit unless it's for weddings or funnerals. It's a casual world now. Old faded split at the knees jeans and scuffed Doc Martins are the order of the day with young people now. Maybe the clipped large folder with the black handles are the knife of the era now. It fits with the modern clothing styles.

Maybe nice jigged bone swaybacks and pearl or ivory handle pen knives went better with the times and clothing they were born in. A time when style and grace ment something. I was looking in an old book on the history of the Wright brothers. There were lots of old photo's of Wilber and Orville working in thier shop in Ohio. One in particular grabbed me. It was while they were working on thier third model glider, and they were there in the shop, sleeves rolled up. Wilber had a large pair of sissors or sheers in his hand and was cutting some white cloth, and Orville was holding up the bundle of cloth while Wilber cut. Both had on vest's, with white shirts, and ties tucked into the front of thier vests. Both looked like they could have rolled down thier sleeves, put on thier coats and went to church. I found myself wondering what kind of pocket knife they had on them.

Yesterday I was at a store, and the clerk had on a faded black t-shirt with a big skull on it advertising a rock band, (I hope) a semi mohawk haircut, a ring in his ear, nose, and lower lip. On the edge of his faded black cargo pants with the frayed edges was the bright steel of the stainless pocket clip of a tactical knife. Since it was a knife store, I suspect it was one of the most recent of the knife of the month issues. I looked around the store, and there were numerous cases of tactical knives, all looking so much alike I coldn't tell you one from the other. Off to the side, around the corner of the displays, was one single case with some traditonal knives in it on the bottom shelf. Some Case's, a few European imports. I asked about them.

"Oh yeah, like, the dude that owns the store keeps some. I guess the old guys like them." I was told by the young guy with the rings in his face. Never mind my white whiskers.

I guess somethings just go out of style like clothes.
 
Well I'm only 21 but I really enjoyed reading that. I remember stories my grandma told me about when she was a kid. One that has always stuck in my mind was this one. "When I was a kid you got an apple and an orange in the piano stand for Christmas and that was a great gift to be had."

As for knives and clothing. Yes I wear blue jeans but they have to look nice and not have holes, discoloring, ect. I hate to see people in holey jeans or the ones hanging off their butts. Pull them up!

Another thing I like traditional knives but around here they sell no such thing hardly. If you see one you better get it because you might not see another for a year or two.

That was a great read.

Oh another that really gets to me is when I go to a funeral home or church and people are in them in t-shirts and blue jeans with sandles. Where is the respect?:confused: I was raised to dress nice for such things.
 
It is kind of a shame that most people don't put much effort into getting dressed these days. Being 24, I've grown accustomed to the relaxed style of today and do tend to go for jeans, rather than a nice pair of slacks. That isn't to say that I don't care for slacks, as I would love it if I could put on a nice collared shirt, a tie, and some Dickies on a daily basis. However, my job dictates that I wear jeans and a t-shirt with some old, faded shoes to match. The times they are a changin'.
 
I too long for the time when people showed more dignity and self-respect.
I notice a lot (not all) of tactical knife carriers use them like a advertisement to how bad they think they are. It goes hand in hand with the skull shirt, the piercings, the whole ensemble. It has to have a clip so everyone can see not to mess with the individual. Flip it, snap it open, destroy that cardboard box. Look around to see who saw the carnage.
Slipjoints to me project a quiet, unstated strength. It lies deep in a pocket, unseen, not tootin' it's own horn. Patiently waiting to demonstrate it's reliability without getting in anyone's face. A lot like my grandfather and "old guys" like him. A standard worth emulating.
 
jackknife our time is on the back burner. it doe'st bother myself much since i know every dog has his day & i had mine. i remember my dad teaching us how to shine our shoes when i was in the 3rd grade & we shined them each morning before school.we used to feel sorry for kids wearing hi-top tennies since we considered those boys as the real poor kids.we had so much more freedom then & as i told my son that he would'nt miss the things i did since he had never experienced the same. no one had tatooes then except ww2 vets & i do'nt have a tatoo now.however i remember all the pranks we played on neighbors & all the times we stole peaches & watermelons so i do'nt begrudge the youngsters their space.we carried bb & pellet guns everywhere & terrorized the lizards & sparrows when we chanced upon the same. it's a different day now & i'm happy to have great memories.
 
I am most definitely "some kind of sleeves rolled up blue collar worker" and proud of it! My wife keeps telling me to wear jeans instead of my work pants. I hate slacks or any kind of thin dress pants for the most part. They just feel wrong to me, like I'm going to destroy them any second.
And yes, I carry a "tactical" folder. For me, its something I need. I work in a lot of bad/inconvenient places, fuel tanks, bilges etc. Places where you don't want to have to set down what ever it is you're about to cut, so I require one handed opening and closing. And I prefer a locking blade.
 
I guess we're going to have to disagree on this one. I'm white collar, but I am happy that I only have to wear business casual and not a suit and tie every day. When the weekend comes I love slipping on a comfortable pair of jeans. Sometimes I'll even slip on a pair of shorts and sandals, it gets hot around here during the summertime.

That said I do believe that people should dress to fit the occassion. I shake my head sometimes when I see people wear baseball caps to church. And don't get me started on the person who wore jeans to my wedding last year.
 
That said I do believe that people should dress to fit the occassion. I shake my head sometimes when I see people wear baseball caps to church. And don't get me started on the person who wore jeans to my wedding last year.

Ha! Amen.
 
I wear Wrangler blue jeans,cowboy cut and 511 tactical cargo pants on a daily basis. I make sure that they are ironed with sharp creases. I make sure that my boots are polished and clean. I have dress pants for when the occasion calls for them. My grandmother told me once that it don't matter what you have on as long as you and your clothes are clean. I won't get started on how some people dress when they go to church and funeral homes.
 
Good points are being made here.

I have a photo from the late 40's of my grand-dad in my dad's boat wearing a coat and tie and hat. Look at pictures of baseball games from the 30's and 40's and every man in the stands was wearing a tie and hat (not a baseball cap, but a Fedora-type brimmed hat). In a way, it seems classy; In a way, it seems silly. I mean it can't be as comfortable as shirt sleeves and open collar. But that's just what you did.

Fashions always change. And that's good. I would rather not wear knee britches and a powdered wig. Or a toga. Or however far back you want to go.

I agree that some of the things I see people wear makes me shake my head and wonder what they were thinking.

As long as you're dressed appropriately, I usually have no problem with what anyone wears. It stills feels funny to me to go to church without a coat and tie, but I usually do now, because that's par for the course at my church. I don't wear jeans, but some do.

I've had jobs where I was expected to wear a coat and tie most days, and honestly, it kind of makes you feel good to dress up a bit. The old saying, "You look good, you feel good" rings true.

As far as knives go, part of the fun for me is picking one out each day based on what I'm wearing, where I'm going, and what I'm going to be doing. And the fact that it amuses my wife to watch me pick out my "pocket jewelry" is just an added bonus.
 
Jackknife,


Again, you're dead-on in your observations. I remember when men wore suits and people counted your change into your hand instad of handing you a wad of bills and coins.

I remember, not too long ago, that a grown man would no sooner leave the house without a pocketknife than without his pants.

I also remember when the only people with tatoos were war veterans; sailors and Marines. Real men.

When I got my first real job, it was at a tire store. I was the youngest one there by far. All the older guys carried Buck 110s, and we needed a knife a lot. For years, I carried a 110. Later, my toolbox contained the Schrade equivalent. It hasn't been until recently that I re-discovered slipjoints. While I do have a bunch of tactical knives and other folders, my favorites are my GECs and some of my Case knives.

I think it's not just our dress that has de-volved, but our individual and national character as well. I remember when small businesses were honest, and the policeman was your friend; not because you knew him, but because that was part of the definition of policeman.
 
Things have changed, but then, they always do. There were probably some older gentlemen around when you were a kid who felt the same way about the passing of the Victorian area and the relatively more casual dress and attitudes of the then present day. That said, even though I'm only 38, my sympathies are with you.

As for suits, they aren't what they used to be. Its hard to find a decent one without paying an exorbitant amount of money. Even if you do, its probably not going to fit that well, which will make it uncomfortable to wear. Plus the jackets on most suits are designed to be easy to take off as opposed to being easy to wear. Finding a tailor or seamstress who knows how to properly alter a suit is next to impossible in a lot of areas. A well made, properly fitted suit is a joy to wear. Too bad they are on the endangered species list.

Leo
 
Methinks maybe a wee bit of my post got misunderstood.:confused:

I'm not so much bemoaning the demise of fashionable dress, but was wondering on the hypothisis of 'did clothing have a factor in what we carry?'

In other words, could the social move toward a more casual society make it more suseptable to the modern up sizing of the cutlery?

Looking at the old guys with their higher level of dress and their smaller more gentlmenly pocket/pen knives, and fast forwarding to now, with casual dress and tactical knives. Connection in some sociological way?


Todays casual clothing make it way easier to carry a much wider variety of stuff than our grandfathers could carry in comfort. Todays clothing, like jeans, cargo pants, are capable of supporting a heavier knife, than say a pair of suit trousers. I look at some old family movies and see the men who carried the so typical old pocket knife, and they are wearing clothing everyday that today we only don for a wedding, funeral, or job interview. Maybe on the interview.

But I do sometimes wish I was born in an earlier day. Bogy looked soo cool in the fedora. :)
 
It's interesting to watch changes, and important too as memory is what distinguishes us from other animals-probably.

When I was in my 20s I worked as a gardener and some of my work-mates were older men and they dressed formally. The older painters and plumbers always wore a jacket and tie,took off the jacket and put an overall or work-bib over their clothes. Their shoes were shiny and these were workmen but their professional and personal status demanded this neatness and formality. They did not approve of me not shaving every day either (a habit I've never developed,every other day is much more effective...) long hair was viewed with particular horror! They only used their first names with close friends,everybody else was surname only.

The other day I was looking at pictures on the television news from a rural area in Turkey where an earthquake had struck. The men in the villages of all ages were dressed in jackets,formal shirts and dark trousers while searching through the rubble. Seems that the casual look in the US and Europe where 'sports' or 'tactical' clothes are favoured by often very un-sporty/un-tactical people is less common in less wealthy countries,thank god for variety!

One reason I like wearing a jacket is you CAN stow a fairly hefty Traditional knife in the pocket, even a CASE Large Stockman when needed.....
 
Methinks maybe a wee bit of my post got misunderstood.:confused:

I'm not so much bemoaning the demise of fashionable dress, but was wondering on the hypothisis of 'did clothing have a factor in what we carry?'

In other words, could the social move toward a more casual society make it more suseptable to the modern up sizing of the cutlery?

Could be. In addition to the KHnutbuster that is always in my pocket, I also carry a CRK Sebenza on the weekends. It might be a tad much, but I'm a knifenut and I enjoy modern knives as much as I do slipjoints. And you're right, it is much easier to carry a larger, pocket clipped knife with jeans than it is with slacks.
 
Well...I busted the half century mark this month and I have seen much the same thing. Manner of dress has become more casual and the easy open, thumbstud, tactical is the choice of the young...and in many cases the not so young. I owned my shop when Spyderco introduced their first Clippit knives and yes, I bought one and carried it everywhere. I got away from the traditional side for some years thinking that these "wonder knives" where the key to all happiness. It took a while but I eventually realized that these high speed, low drag "wonder knives" all lacked the same thing...they had no soul, they didn't inspire memories, they didn't fulfill the role of a worry stone in my pocket, they were just cold metal and plastic.

I started carrying some of my old traditionals again and it was the difference between night and day. I would find myself running a thumb over the jigged bone in my pocket while I thought and it would relax me, when I was worried doing so would help bring me calm, and some knives would bring back long forgotten memories.

Today I seldom wear a tie...last time was my Mom's funeral almost two years ago. I also haven't gotten a haircut since that day. My normal dress is jeans now but with a nice shirt...I still feel t-shirts are underwear...lol. And I carry three knives most days. a small traditional pen knife for use in social situations, a larger lockblade or big Jack in a belt pouch for heavy cutting chores, and yes...I carry a belt clip, thumbstud, wonder knife just in case I need it to use in an emergency such as a car accident where a one hand fast opening knife might come in handy.

But my hand goes to the bone or stag in my pocket when my mind starts to wander...
 
Hi,

I think the changes in fashion has, to some extent, influenced what kind of knives we carry today.

Growing up, both my Grandfathers wore bib overalls, (farmers). My Father and I wore mostly jeans, (also farmers). Both of my Grandfathers carried smaller slippies. One a peanut, the other a pen I think. My Father and me carried bigger slippes. My Father carried scout patterns and I carried Schrade 34OTs and 825UHs.

If I remember right, the pockets on the bibs I wore back then were a bit shallower and the opening was tipped back a bit. Certainly the pair I have today has those traits. You can't easily clip a tactical knife in the pockets. I lost several Schrade 34OTs wearing those things. Regular jeans have deeper and more vertical pockets. A modern folder, like my Kershaw Leek doesn't even touch the bottom of my pocket when clipped.

dalee
 
JK,
I remember wearing pants etc.also remember when I came home after school,you changed clothes...heaven help you if you got your clothes torn!! $$ was tight.Recently I saw a kid at the theatre with his pants so low,he would have tripped if he had to move fast.Being OLD he saw my face & asked if I had a problem(forget being tought manners)so I told him,when we had pants like THAT they were called hand me downs! He smirked & told me HE had "style"!!
I then told him,he wouldn't know STYLE if it hit him in the ***! Noone cares about seeing your underware!! It went downhill from there!:D
Thanks for the memory lane,
Jim
 
It was some what like that in the AL areas I grew up in. If my grandfather wasn't going to his other full time job of being a police officer(he was a farmer) or to church, he was always in overalls(don't know if I saying that right). He would nearly always have a Case Stockman, Trapper/Jackknife, or his Old Timer Stockman on him. I remember if you were going out to eat back then and it was to anything other then a burger joint the dress was always formal. It seemed like everyone smoked back then and most men smoked some kind 'uv pipe. Yes I do think the way we dress and the more modern lock knives especially with what Sal Glessar occomplished with the modern clippit has helped us look at larger knives as more in style!
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top