Cold Steel Kudu

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This is my first review for the forum and I’m still new to this, but I’ll take my best shot at it. I doubt the Kudu will receive rave reviews from anyone, but it is interesting enough that I think it is worth commenting on.

The maker’s description says this knife is based on a popular design from South Africa, but the original is over priced and made of poor quality components. I did a little web research and found a brand called Okapi that is available in the US. The Okapi is made with a wood handle and carbon steel blade. Never having handled one of the originals, I can’t vouch for their quality, but I’d have a lot less gripe with the Cold Steel copy if it was said to be made with more modern materials rather than supposedly superior materials.

I found the handle of the Kudu, while comfortable, had a flimsy feel in my hand. I would much rather feel wood against my hands than the material used here. There are no metal liners to add stiffness to the handle, something I felt was really missing in the design. I could not see any give in the locking mechanism itself, but I could see flex on the handle when stressing the lockback. I would trust the lockback for most daily tasks, but I would not attempt to use this knife for chopping anything tougher than whatever is going onto the stewpot for dinner.

The blade is a Krupp stainless steel, the same type, according to Cold Steel, that is used in “hygienic applications” and high-end kitchen knives. Out of the box it was certainly sharp, but not the sharpest factory edge I’d ever encountered. It can be sharpened to a decent edge with a little patience, but I can’t quite get the edge sharp enough to clear cut my arm hairs. After working the edge with an ultrafine stone, it cleanly slices paper without tearing using minimal effort. For some heftier testing, I clamped carboard box material in a vice and sliced across the grain, similar to the Cold Steel cardboard tests in their video. The cardboard sliced cleanly through, but the edge did not seem to hold up as well as I would have liked.

After retouching the edge, I tried the water bottle test. I placed a full water bottle on a table and did a test similar to the one in the Cold Steel video. While it did cut cleanly through in a single stroke, the bottle did not remain standing. This is the first time I tried this with any blade, so I don’t know if it is a question of technique or the blade only being barely sharp enough to do the job. Either way, it was quite an experience for me!

I recently took the Kudu on some casual camping trips. These are not wilderness backpacking trips, but weekend Father / Child YMCA sponsored outings. The Kudu did a great job carving a pumpkin for Halloween, cutting up snacks, opening boxes, cutting parts for a model rocket and doubling as a cooking knife / table knife. That is where this knife was best utilized, performing mundane tasks that don’t require the precision or robustness of a Spyderco, Chris Reeve or other fine quality blade. If it gets lost, or misplaced, on one of these trips, I’m not out a lot of money either. It was nice knowing I could wash the stainless steel blade without worrying about it being perfectly dry when I folded it back up. The basic design was interesting enough that even non-knife owning people were interested in it, although some were baffled by the ring-lock.

Based on the Kudu’s utility, I think it would be fair to compare it to an Opinel. It is a handy companion, but not suitable to every task. I’ll take the Opinel for looks and its carbon steel blade, but with the Zytel handle and stainless steel blade, The Kudu will require less care than the Opinel.

After using the Kudu for a while, the biggest drawbacks I’ve found are the cheap feel of the handle and the edge needing frequent touchups. To be fair, it does not go really dull that quickly, it just does not seem to hold a supersharp edge very long. On the plus side, the stainless steel used for the blade is pretty rust proof and the handle does not require gentle care.

Even at full retail, I think the knife is fairly priced. It is certainly not worth any more than that, however. While well made, you are not buying the precision production of any number of other knives out there. Aesthetically, it lacks the appeal of the Okapi or an Opinel, but I think it makes up for this in durability. I’ve got to admit, the appeal of the Kudu kind of grows on you. If you don’t have a ring-lock in your collection, this is an inexpensive way to add one. Personally, however, I’d still like to acquire an Okapi as I’m more impressed with its materials and looks.
 
thx for a review :o

As for a Cold Steel Kudu - it is very cheap knife, in our country (Czech republic) price of the Kudu is the same price like for a lunch in KFC, or Mcdonald ;)
I ordered one of the Cold Steel Kudu last week, because it look very nice on photo. So I will see, how it look in reality. I hope that I will be satisfied with the Kudu like I am satisfied with my other Cold Steel knives (Bushman and Voyager).
 
thx for a review :o

As for a Cold Steel Kudu - it is very cheap knife, in our country (Czech republic) price of the Kudu is the same price like for a lunch in KFC, or Mcdonald ;)
I ordered one of the Cold Steel Kudu last week, because it look very nice on photo. So I will see, how it look in reality. I hope that I will be satisfied with the Kudu like I am satisfied with my other Cold Steel knives (Bushman and Voyager).

i believe its one of the cheaper range products of cold steel,with their krupp steel?
in that case,they won't satisfy you as a voyager afcourse,but i doubt you won't like it for the price
i'm thinking of buying one
 
yes surely it will not be like the Voyager, but it is nice cheap knife and it will do some work, it range of its potentialities ;)
 
i believe its one of the cheaper range products of cold steel,with their krupp steel?

Yes, it has Krupp steel for the blade and yes again, it is the lowest priced offering in their catalog. For the price, I can't gripe too much, but the big drawback is it does not seem to hold the edge as well as some other inexpensive knives I've owned. As I said, it does not go totally dull quickly, but it does seem to need a lot of touching up. I never had this steel before. Maybe someone with more experience can comment on 4116 Krupp Stainless Steel?

By way of comparison to the Voyager, I've been eyeing the 5" Tanto point, but I still have some misgivings about the Zytel handle without any metal liners. At least from the catalog description, there's no mention of liners. I'm wondering about the feel of the handle because of this. I do not have any CS dealers in my area, at least none that I've found, so I have yet to grip one with my own hands.
 
the feel of the handle is very light,but also very grippy.
first time i picked one up,it felt kinda cheap because its so lightweight.
but its just the feel,the quality is good
 
The difference in weight between the Okapi and the Kudu is about a half ounce, 3.5oz. vs 3oz., the Kudu weighing less. Balance on both knives is about identical. I guess one might think the Kudu feels cheap. However, I suspect most who feel this way have never handled an Okapi. Both are inexpensively built utilitarian knives, and feel like it.

That being said, they're both perfectly usable. Being wood and carbon steel, the Okapi feels more authentic, if you're seeking some kind of retro vibe. The Kudu is simply better engineered, smoother opening, more positive lockup, better consistency. IMO, the Okapi has one real advantage, the carbon steel blade. 1055 beats any stainless, IMO, except, of course, in corrosion resistance.

FWIW, the Okapi seems to have attracted positive attention from women when I've used it. My guess is that despite the size, it's rustic retro looks don't set off the mall ninja/redneck sensors the way a Vaquero Grande or 110 might.
 
I've also got a Kudu, so here's my 2ct.

- Yes, the handle flexes a bit if pressed strong enough. Yet, it is plenty strong for any conceivable (sane) use.

- I got the blade shaving sharp, but I had to grind down the edge angle quite a bit.

- Edge holding is ok. Not great but ok. Changing the edge angle helped here, too.

- It is cheaper than an Opinel of equal size, but has to be reground to be fully functional.

Ookami
 
Just curious, what angle did you rebevel at? I did not use power tools, your use of the word "grind" suggests that you did, because I do not have one. I used a diamond pocket stone and lots of patience to change my angle. I did mine by guess work, but when I got what looked like a good angle to me, I changed over to a fine pocket stone and then did the final edge on a round ceramic hone. Does paper cleanly with minimal, subjective to me, effort and leaves a nice clean edge.

On a side note, the ceramic hone was a pocket piece that had been kicking around in my desk for a while and that was my first time using it. I was very impressed with the finish it gave. So much so that I am now looking at getting a set of ceramic bench size stones in Medium, Fine and Ultra Fine. Especially nice that you do not need any water or oil, so there's no mess when you use it.
 
Mitch, that was a good review you did on Cold Steel's Kudu. Well written, too. I like simple, low-priced knives that will still get the job done, so I noticed the Kudu and it's South African predecessor, the Okapi. I read elsewhere that the Okapi was originally made in Germany (for export I'll bet), but that manufacturing was moved to the Dark Continent sometime in the last 20 years or so. What I read also said that those currently made are a little better quality than those that were made in Germany, if you can believe that. For my own use, though, I will stick to the proven Opinels which only cost two or three bucks more.

My copy of Cold Steel's Christmas sale flyer arrived last Saturday, and it has Kudus priced at 5 for $25 + S&H.

I noticed you are considering a 5" tanto point Voyager, but the lack of a metal liner concerns you. I can tell you the 4" clip point Voyager I've had for several years seems plenty strong and sturdy to me. For awhile I had a 5" tanto point Voyager, but I decided it was just too big for comfortable carry in the spacious front pocket of my jeans so I traded it to a friend. It really was big! The sale flyer only has the 3" Voyagers on sale, for $49.99 each.

Cold Steel's sale flyer lists the Roach Belly, the Canadian Belt Knife, and the Finn Bear, all @ 4 for $45, but it does not mention "mix or match." Their G.I. Tanto is on sale @ 2 for $40, and their Bushman "seconds" @ 3 for $30. They are offering more Carbon V "seconds" in their Laredo Bowie for $299.99, the SRK for $59.99, the Recon Tanto for $49.99, and the LTC Kukri for $69.99.
 
Yes, it has Krupp steel for the blade and...t does not go totally dull quickly, but it does seem to need a lot of touching up. I never had this steel before.
Cold Steel claims that the Krupp is much better than the 420 which preceded it; however, 420 can be sharpened to a razor sharpness, while the Krupp is difficult to get sharp based on what I've heard. CS said it was a significant improvement in edge holding over 420, but the price of their knives made with the Krupp went down significantly. Apparently it's less expensive than the 420.
By way of comparison to the Voyager, I've been eying the 5" Tanto point, but I still have some misgivings about the Zytel handle.
Don't. I recommend you take a look see at the Gunsite 5-inch. Don't worry about the Zytel. It's light weight and almost indestructible.
 
I didn't use a power-grinder. The Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary tells me I can also go about grinding by hand:
grind: [...] 3 ~sth (on/with sth) to polish sth or make sth sharp by rubbing it on or with a hard surface ;)
I used the word grind in contrast to sharpening, because that IMO denotes a reestablishment of bevels and not neccessarily changing them.

So how did I do it?
I am sorry that I can't tell you exactly which angle I have, because I rarely check anymore. It should be around 30 degrees though.
At first I used a very coarse corundum (aluminium oxide) bench stone that ate away the steel quickly.
Then I switched to a 1000 grit and later a 4000 grit benchstone to smooth out the rough grinding marks.
I took off the (by now) microscopic burr with a fine natural stone (around 6000 grit) and I was in business.
It didn't take much time to grind down the steel, I think about 20min for the whole procedure.

A hint for shaving sharpness: Try a loaded leather strop. You should find mo' than plenty advice on that in the forums.

The steel is the same as the one used in most German kitchen knives. It ain't bad per se, it really depends on heat treatment. Cold Steel has the steel on the soft side to ease sharpening and to compensate for abuse, but so do the German companies.
The result is a usable knife, that stays sharp under normal conditions, but will dull quickly with abrasive materials like cardboard. Once you've ground it down a bit resharpening is quickly done on a ceramic rod for instance.

Ookami
 
Thanks people for all the feedback.

You are absolutely correct, Ookami, in your use of "grind" but that's the problem with words: some of us get fixed connotations of what certain words mean. Now that I'm in a new venue, for me, I'm relearning some of these connotations.

To Dr. Mudd and Confederate, I've tabled my desire for the folding Tatno for the while as I have two other knives on the way to me. My pockets would get too crowded if I started carrying all of them around! If the desire ever overwhelms me, I may take another look at the Gunsite series.

FWIW, I was considering the 5" Tanto as a back pocket carry, not a front pocket carry. I've found larger folders (Buck 110 size) are more comfortable back there, yet still accessible if needed.
 
Kudu is a copy of a cheap Okapi Price in South Africa for a Okapi is R25 or $3.5
The knife is well known to all SAfricans the knife is good for skinning and general farm work.
 
Thanks for the review. I recently ordered one and it is helpful to know I will have to regrind it. Thanks all!
 
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