Colorado Law: Knives in Vehicles

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I know that 3.5" folders are, vaguely, the limit for concealed carry (whatever that means), but what about in a car? I'd be curious to know:

(1) What are the laws about folders kept in vehicles, not on my person?
(2) What about fixed blades in vehicles, not on my person?
(3) Where, exactly, in the vehicle (glove box, out in the open, etc.) do these laws apply?
 
Basically, you can conceal any size knife anywhere in your car in any jurisdiction. Surprisingly liberal!
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I'll just quote from the FAQ on Colorado CCW and Firearms Laws. It's really a great document and it explains the somewhat complicated law better than I could.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Effective at the beginning of August, 2000, a new section, C.R.S. section 18-12-105.6 takes effect. It provides that "the carrying of weapons in private automobiles or other private means of conveyance for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into or through a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction, is a matter of statewide concern and is not an offense."

The new law also preempts any local regulations which are more restrictive than state law in this one regard. This has the effect of limiting the application of Denver's absurd ordinance on carry of firearms in your car to persons who both reside there, and also don't leave the city on their trip - those whose trip does not take them into or through a different city or county than the one they started in. Given how hard it will be for Denver prosecutors to show anything about a persons trip (if that person keeps their mouth shut when dealing with Denver police, as they certainly should), I expect that this will dramatically decrease their harassment of persons (including Denver residents) who have guns in their cars for protection while traveling through that particular garden spot. The change in law also clarifies what "traveling" is, a term which has not been defined, and which has not been the subject of an appeals court decision. In other states with similar laws (Missouri and Texas in particular) the courts had excepted regular commutes, and short trips by local residents, claiming that was not "traveling." Colorado law is now clearly different, it includes any trip which passes through more than one city or county, within the traveler exception, an easy standard to meet when traveling in the Denver area. Note also that the new law applies equally to unconcealed as well as concealed carry, within your car, for your protection.

Carrying a rifle or shotgun with a round in the chamber in a motorized vehicle is illegal under Colorado hunting law; this does not apply to handguns. See C.R.S. section 33-6-125.</font>

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Cerulean

"My good reason to carry a knife is that God gave me rather weak teeth and rudimentary claws in an evolutionary trade-off." - J.K.M.

[This message has been edited by cerulean (edited 04-18-2001).]
 
18-12-105.6 is a great law, and one that was a long time comming. Denver (and a few other Metro area municipalities) used to give folks carrying/transpoting firearms and knives exceeding 3.25 inches in length hell.

That said, keep your knives under the state prescribed 3.5 inches, unless it is readily evident that you are on the way to or froim a camping or hunting trip.
 
18-12-101 - Definitions.

(1) As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires:
(a) "Adult" means any person eighteen years of age or older.

(a.3) "Ballistic knife" means any knife that has a blade which is forcefully projected from the handle by means of a spring-loaded device or explosive charge.

(a.5) "Blackjack" includes any billy, sand club, sandbag, or other hand-operated striking weapon consisting, at the striking end, of an encased piece of lead or other heavy substance and, at the handle end, a strap or springy shaft which increases the force of impact.

(b) "Bomb" means any explosive or incendiary device or molotov cocktail as defined in section 9-7-103, C.R.S., or any chemical device which causes or can cause an explosion, which is not specifically designed for lawful and legitimate use in the hands of its possessor.

(c) "Firearm silencer" means any instrument, attachment, weapon, or appliance for causing the firing of any gun, revolver, pistol, or other firearm to be silent or intended to lessen or muffle the noise of the firing of any such weapon.

(d) "Gas gun" means a device designed for projecting gas-filled projectiles which release their contents after having been projected from the device and includes projectiles designed for use in such a device.

(e) "Gravity knife" means any knife that has a blade released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force, that when released is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device.

(e.5) "Handgun" means a pistol, revolver, or other firearm of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged, the length of the barrel of which, not including any revolving, detachable, or magazine breech, does not exceed twelve inches.

(e.7) "Juvenile" means any person under the age of eighteen years.

(f) "Knife" means any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length, or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds, but does not include a hunting or fishing knife carried for sports use. The issue that a knife is a hunting or fishing knife must be raised as an affirmative defense.

(g) "Machine gun" means any firearm, whatever its size and usual designation, that shoots automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

(h) "Short rifle" means a rifle having a barrel less than sixteen inches long or an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

(i) "Short shotgun" means a shotgun having a barrel or barrels less than eighteen inches long or an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

(i.5) "Stun gun" means a device capable of temporarily immobilizing a person by the infliction of an electrical charge.

(j) "Switchblade knife" means any knife, the blade of which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring, or other device in its handle.

(2) It shall be an affirmative defense to any provision of this article that the act was committed by a peace officer in the lawful discharge of his duties.



18-12-105 - Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person
; or

(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.

(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)

(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:

(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or

(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

(c) A person who, prior to the time of carrying a concealed weapon, has been issued a written permit pursuant to section 18-12-105.1 to carry the weapon by the chief of police of a city or city and county, or the sheriff of a county; or

(d) A peace officer, level I or level Ia, as defined in section 18-1-901 (3) (l) (I) or (3) (l) (II); or

(e) A peace officer, level II, as defined in section 18-1-901 (3) (l) (III), while on duty; or

(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.

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Remember that the place to argue legal points is in court. (Such as whether your knife was or was not concealed" or "whether you where in you vehicle and that your knife was there for protection or not.") Does anyone want to go to court to get a ruling? Probably not.
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[This message has been edited by Erik W (edited 04-20-2001).]
 
Erik W: This is great information. Thanks for the quick response.

What do you mean when you say "Remember that the place to argue legal points is in court?"
 
Just a friendly reminder that everyone's best arguments will fall on the arresting officer's deaf ears.

The phrase "tell it to the judge" comes to mind. (That is who you are supposed to tell it to, after all.)

Anyone game for that? Probably not.
 
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