Compact 2mm lead holder

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Ok, I have my favorite writing instruments and was tired of using a traditional pencil because I was worried about breaking my trusty Staedler MARS 780 lead holder. It is longer than a typical pen, so breast pocket carry is out. I needed a lead holder that was small and durable for in the pocket carry. This is what I came up with and how I did it. This is it with my Zebra F-701 (modded).

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I picked this retractable point scribe up at Harbor Freight for about $4.00 a while back (item #97336). It is a click type, all stainless but with a junky pocket clip. Next to my lead holder...

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After having it and using it for a few weeks I decided to pull the scribe point out to see what it was. Well shoot, it is a 2mm click type action! I quickly grabbed a lead and tried it out, worked perfectly! It even has a sharpener under the cap. Disassembly is straight forward, unscrew the nose cone and the mechanism pulls out the back. To figure out how short you want it to end up there is a small ridge just above the nose cone threads on the transmission that rests inside the knurled grip. Line these up and figure out how short you want it to be.

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I used a small pipe cutter to trim the barrel to a length I liked. To figure out how short to trim the magazine tube, the (new) end of the body should end up about halfway up on the cap. To trim the magazine tube I used an exacto blade pressed firmly onto the tube and rolled it back and forth on a hard surface being sure to keep it straight. This tube is tapered, so the cap will not go into the tube at the new location. To fix this heat it ever so little with a lighter (a hairdryer might even work) and stretch it with closed needle nose pliers. Insert the cap and heat again working it until it is secure but can be removed easily.

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There is a small insert on the end of the barrel pressed in that reduces the slop in the barrel. It is pretty delicate, I tried to insert it into the new end and it split. It is mostly decorative, so no big deal.

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Now just insert the new shorter mechanism into the shorter body, screw on the nose cone, and your done! For a clip, you can rob a clip on type like on the Staedler Mars from all kinds of junky pens.

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This little pencil rides quite nicely in my pocket without a clip. I don't think I will be putting one on for now. With a short enough lead you can have the capability of carrying both the scribe and 2mm lead for quick change out. The nice thing about this is you are not restricted to set length by a pen refill, it can be customized however you like! One advantage of the click type versus gravity feed is one handed operation without losing the whole lead.

Start to finish, it takes maybe 15 minutes. Hope you like it!


-Xander
 
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This was a very helpful thread.

Picked up 3 of these today, and modded 2 of them successfully. One is still the original length, and I will just use that one as a scribe.

Your heating and stretching the plastic tube is an elegant solution, but I simply used a drill bit to shave out some of the internal plastic.

May I ask where you obtain your lead?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
That's brilliant. Having just gotten into drafting myself, this is very helpful for me too. (hand drafting, that is.)
 
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This was a very helpful thread.

Picked up 3 of these today, and modded 2 of them successfully. One is still the original length, and I will just use that one as a scribe.

Your heating and stretching the plastic tube is an elegant solution, but I simply used a drill bit to shave out some of the internal plastic.

May I ask where you obtain your lead?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Thanx Steven, I was going to try a drill bit on it, but I did this while cooking dinner and didn't have time to head out to the garage. I grabbed my lighter off my humidor and did all this at the dinner table. Plus I was done and had my mess cleaned up before dinner was plated!

I get my leads from a local drafting supply and document house, although I seem to remember seeing them at some larger art stores and office supply. Pretty standard size. Shoot me an email if you can't find any locally and I can send you a stick or two of Sanford Turquoise HB. Most 2mm lead is 6-10 bucks a dozen.

That's brilliant. Having just gotten into drafting myself, this is very helpful for me too. (hand drafting, that is.)

Good lord! Just getting into hand drafting?! I am not that old and when I took drafting in high school I was the last class to learn entirely by pencil and paper! My school purchased AutoCAD R14 the year I left. Actually, mechanical drawing is where I get the habit of carrying a lead holder.

Now mind you, this pencil is not that great for all mechanical drawing. I prefer a tube supported lead like the more common .3,.5,.7,.9 leads for line drawing. Using a 2mm lead against a straight edge all day leads to lots of sharpening, but it is nice for heavy borders and lettering. I liked this because it matches my edc pen (first pic) and I don't lose the lead when someone asks to borrow a pencil that has never used a gravity feed. If you want a cadillac lead holder, check out the Rotring 800. Simply beautiful in design and function.


-Xander

Oh and thanx for the kind words guys!
 
well, I know Vectorworks, which is all I really need for what I do (which right now just supplements being a booze expert). And I can read a drawing. But I went back to school to finish my degree, and they want me to learn hand drafting, so...
 
well, I know Vectorworks, which is all I really need for what I do (which right now just supplements being a booze expert). And I can read a drawing. But I went back to school to finish my degree, and they want me to learn hand drafting, so...

Never played much with Vectorworks, I used Pro-E and AutoCAD when I worked in the field. Learning hand drafting was the single biggest help as a designer. I could go down to the machine shop and whip out a usable drawing right there, didn't have to go back to my work station and draw it up. Still it is much quicker for rough drawings, I think. Funny, mechanical drawings are supposed to be all the same, but you will develop a style that is subtly recognizable to other drafters. I remember in class we could tell who did what just by looking at it. Too bad that is gone with CAD programs.

Anyways, have fun with your hand drafting class. A cheap way to get some supplies is look for any old manufacturers in your area. I used to get C size vellum with printed border and title block by the hundred for a few bucks from a local business that had a large stock pile when they switched over to CAD programs. Machine shops going out of business or that have modernized is another great source.

Let me know if you do mod one of these!


-Xander
 
I get my leads from a local drafting supply and document house, although I seem to remember seeing them at some larger art stores and office supply. Pretty standard size. Shoot me an email if you can't find any locally and I can send you a stick or two of Sanford Turquoise HB. Most 2mm lead is 6-10 bucks a dozen.

I found them at Jerry's Artarama, thanx...ordered HB, H and the blue no-copy!
If you want a cadillac lead holder, check out the Rotring 800. Simply beautiful in design and function.

Where to buy, please? I will not do Paypal.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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I found them at Jerry's Artarama, thanx...ordered HB, H and the blue no-copy!


Where to buy, please? I will not do Paypal.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Good deal! what brand did you get?

About the Rotring 800, good luck! I could spend the time searching the net for you, but your a big kid - you can do it yourself ;) :D
I know there are some on fleabay fairly often, but you would have to check the sellers to see if they took money orders or anything else. I just saw some 70's vintage NOS true point lead holders on ebay the other day, way cool if you like that vintage stuff.

Whats your 20? SoCal is a big place, maybe check with the southern CA pen collectors association and ask them if they know of some locally to you or if someone has one they would sell.


-Xander
 
Good deal! what brand did you get?

About the Rotring 800, good luck! I could spend the time searching the net for you, but your a big kid - you can do it yourself ;) :D
I know there are some on fleabay fairly often, but you would have to check the sellers to see if they took money orders or anything else. I just saw some 70's vintage NOS true point lead holders on ebay the other day, way cool if you like that vintage stuff.

Staedtler graphite...had good luck with it in the past. Yes, I am a big boy, really, but I thought you might have an easily located source for the Rotring 800.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Staedtler graphite...had good luck with it in the past. Yes, I am a big boy, really, but I thought you might have an easily located source for the Rotring 800.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Staedtler is good lead, very consistant. I went to a Michaels Crafts store yesterday and they actually had Koh-I-Nor leads, I should of picked some up. I wish I had a reliable source for the Rotring 800, but other than ebay I only have found it on some shady looking import sites that I would not want to have my CC info. Once I get my lathe up and running, I wouldn't mind trying my hand at some nicer bodies for lead holders. I might start with some gravity feed ones, but the click type sure are nice!

Until then, I will stick with this little modded pencil!


-Xander
 
Staedtler is good lead, very consistant. I went to a Michaels Crafts store yesterday and they actually had Koh-I-Nor leads, I should of picked some up. I wish I had a reliable source for the Rotring 800, but other than ebay I only have found it on some shady looking import sites that I would not want to have my CC info. Once I get my lathe up and running, I wouldn't mind trying my hand at some nicer bodies for lead holders. I might start with some gravity feed ones, but the click type sure are nice!

Until then, I will stick with this little modded pencil!

Out of curiousity, any experience and/or opinion on the Retro 51 version of the Rotring 600 .7 mm?

I've got my sister working on the ebay angle.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Best Regards,
 
Out of curiousity, any experience and/or opinion on the Retro 51 version of the Rotring 600 .7 mm?

I've got my sister working on the ebay angle.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Best Regards,

I started a new thread in here for discussing pen/pencils so hopefully we can get more input from other BF.C members.

I will answer this in there.


-Xander
 
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