Counterfeit 710 Magnacut LE

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Just got this 710 from an auction on eBay. Looks counterfeit,

There is no MagnaCut ID on the blade.
The action is stiff and gritty.
When folded, the dimple patterns on left side go past butterfly.
Thumbstud hole is small.
Jimping on backspacer is much wider and fewer jimps.
Lanyard and opposite side clip holes don't line up with lining.
Black Benchmade box with no ID that says it's a limited edition or even a 710.
No number on the blade.

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Definitely fake. First thing that I noticed was the orange pivot ring. Curious, what did they get you for?
 
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Definitely fake. First thing that I noticed was the orange pivot ring. Curious, what did they get you for?
The auction went at $306, plus tax. Seemed like a good deal.

The seller says he bought it at Bass Pro.

He's willing to refund my money, but I have to pay shipping back and I lose the $26 in sales tax. Plus, I feel uncomfortable sending back the proof before a refund.

Anyone have any experience with this?
 
This fraud shouldn't cost you anything. I would file a claim with Ebay or Paypal and go from there. They protect the buyer from these situations and need to know about this seller.
 
Anyone have any experience with this?
The only time I fell for a fake on Ebay (a G-Shock watch), I filed a claim with Ebay immediately and didn't involve the seller at all. I provided pics and proof much like you have here, and they resolved it quickly with a full refund.

He didn't buy it at Bass Pro. Don't go through him for resolution.
 
I found advice on the eBay forum that said:

If you received the item less than 30 days ago, go to your purchase history and click on the Return this item button. then select it seems fake or counterfeit. The seller will have 3 days to respond and send you a return shipping label. If they do not, then on day 4 ask ebay to step in and you will receive a refund.

But when I hit the "return this item" button, there is no category for counterfeit. I don't know how to report this.
 
But when I hit the "return this item" button, there is no category for counterfeit. I don't know how to report this.
I believe "Doesn't match description or photos" is the option you want. The next screen will ask for text and photos; that's where I'd put the explanation of why it's counterfeit and the photos demonstrating that.

The seller gets a few days to send you a return label, after which time you can ask Ebay to step in. If the seller doesn't accept returns -- as in, that was in the listing -- the timeframe for you to start this process is brief, I think it's within three days of delivery.

Take this all with a grain of salt, as I've only had to do it once and things could have changed since then. Good luck!
 
Submit a claim through ebay, and in your description of the problem list why you believe it to be fake, with pictures. You should get a full refund. Last year I got an 1810 8 Reales from Mexico City mint at a good price, and it turned out to be a fake. I submitted a claim through ebay and had the full refund within a few days.

Word of advice if you are looking at spanish colonial 8 reales coins on the bay...if it is a seller in Poland, pretty much guaranteed to be a fake. Or China for that matter, but you knew that already.
 
I've seen a lot of people screeching about Benchmade putting "their website" on the blade of certain models. Of course, it is not their website. It is a link to their patents, as is required by law if Benchmade wants legal recourse against counterfeiters. And this post illustrates exactly why they do it. Benchmade is probably the most counterfeited knife brand in existence, unfortunately.
 
I've seen a lot of people screeching about Benchmade putting "their website" on the blade of certain models. Of course, it is not their website. It is a link to their patents, as is required by law if Benchmade wants legal recourse against counterfeiters. And this post illustrates exactly why they do it. Benchmade is probably the most counterfeited knife brand in existence, unfortunately.
You don't need to put the patent on the product to enforce it or for it to be enforceable
 
You don't need to put the patent on the product to enforce it or for it to be enforceable
Right. I'm no patent lawyer but my understanding is if you want compensation for any product made before you notify the counterfeiter of your patent you need either numbers or a link. You can enforce the patent with no number or link but you can't get compensated for the money they've already made off your design.
 
"Perhaps most importantly, consistently marking your products as patented can affect the damages you could recover in the event someone infringes your patent. That is, if you consistently mark your products this puts the world on what is called “Constructive Notice” that your product is patented. That means that any infringer should have known that the product was patented (because the product itself says “Patented”) and therefore the patent owner can get damages starting on the date of infringement. If a patent owner does not mark their products, they can only recover damages for infringement that occurs after the patent owner sends a letter to the infringer informing them of their patent rights."

"The reason is that if products are not appropriately marked before they enter the stream of commerce, the damages that the manufacturer can receive in a patent infringement action against someone that has copied that product are reduced.

35 USC §287(a) provides:

Patentees, and persons making, offering for sale, or selling within the United States any patented article for or under them or importing any patented article into the United States, may give notice to the public that the same is patented, either by fixing thereon the word “patent” or the abbreviation “pat.”, together with the number of the patent, or when, from the character of the article, this cannot be done, by fixing to it, or to the package wherein one or more of there is contained, a label containing a like notice. In the event of failure to so mark, no damages shall be recovered by the patentee in any action for infringement, except on proof that the infringer was notified of the infringement and continued to infringe thereafter, in which event damages may be recovered only for infringement occurring after such notice. Filing of an action for infringement shall constitute such notice."
 
People are getting shellacked on Ebay with these; the 1st thing you notice on a fake is the pocket clip is a matte black the real ones are like a scratch or stonewashed black. Also the pocket clip on the fake is too long; on the real one, there are 7 little holes in the g10 after the pocket clip ends.on the fake there are only 4 drilled holes in the g10 after the tip of the pocket clip. Any Benchmade on Ebay that has a matte finished pocket clip is a fake its the 1st red flag.Also check their other auctions sometimes they sell other cheap junk knives, and check feedback; sometimes they will have a negative for selling a fake....
 
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People are getting shellacked on Ebay with these; the 1st thing you notice on a fake is the pocket clip is a matte black the real ones are like a scratch or stonewashed black. Also the pocket clip on the fake is too long; on the real one, there are 7 little holes in the g10 after the pocket clip ends.on the fake there are only 4 drilled holes in the g10 after the tip of the pocket clip. Any Benchmade on Ebay that has a matte finished pocket clip is a fake its the 1st red flag.Also check their other auctions sometimes they sell other cheap junk knives, and check feedback; sometimes they will have a negative for selling a fake....
I just went over there and saw several 2024 counterfeit 710s, both the MagnaCut LE and S90V versions. I didn't think the forgers could get up to speed this fast.

But I finally got an S90V 710 at full retail from an authorized dealer. It's a very nice knife. Solid as a rock, great ergos, excellent blade design for slicing, snappy action and a really, really good steel that has better edge wear and higher toughness than the premium steel M390 used in high-end knives.
 
I’d love to know how they could fake these knives so fast i saw fake Adiras out there months before it was even released !
 
That’s a definite fake. Every one should be numbered. 1-2500. Here’s some pics of the real one. Also comes with the card in the last pic.
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