Cutting hardwood with a racing axe?

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Hi, new member and long time ax user

I have a Hachas Jauregi 2.4kg racing ax and a 2.kg felling one. I have tried out the felling ax out on dry live oak and it handled it just fine. A little anxious about using the racing one, it's a bit harder at the edge 57-58 vs 55ish. Should I steer clear of dry hardwoods with the racing ax?

Another question, what would be considered the upper bound for hardness on an working ax? I have a few russian ones that are 58-60 at the edge, is that nuts?
 
A Using ax at 55-56rc is upper . Welcome, Nochance. Are you using a Rockwell tester? Those are 4.4 lb. and 5.3 lb. axes and should work on oak. The heavier one could split oak. DM
 
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57-58 isn't a problem, toughness-wise, so long as the steel and heat treatment are good. All of my Rinaldi axes are 58 RC and even the Genova pattern I ground extra-thin for use as a rough-shaping carving axe will roll rather than chip when pushed past its limit.
 
Ernest,^ yes. I have noticed when cutting oak less cheek works better. And my Hults is likely 56- 57rc. Measured with files. DM
 
57-58 isn't a problem, toughness-wise, so long as the steel and heat treatment are good. All of my Rinaldi axes are 58 RC and even the Genova pattern I ground extra-thin for use as a rough-shaping carving axe will roll rather than chip when pushed past its limit.
That really answers my question lol, I have a whole bunch of Rinaldis (whish they where easier to get) and have tested them on dried live oak logs without issue. Their price tag makes it easier to just try and see what happens. Do you know why the Rinaldi pattern axes are so different from what's available from northern Europe?
 
Just a different school of design that places a different degree of emphasis on certain features over others. Not better or worse on a fundamental level, just a different balance of tradeoffs to optimize them according to what was considered most important in their context of use. Similar axe design principles are seen in Portugal, Spain, and France.
 
That really answers my question lol, I have a whole bunch of Rinaldis (whish they where easier to get) and have tested them on dried live oak logs without issue. Their price tag makes it easier to just try and see what happens. Do you know why the Rinaldi pattern axes are so different from what's available from northern Europe?

As to the last question,i'd say that the (many) patterns that Rinaldi produces are distinct not because of being made by Rinaldi-but because they're So due to the different Tasks that they evolved to address.

So possibly you're comparing them to the tools made for different purpose,wheresoever they may've been made,Northern or Southern Europe.
If you look at some specific pattern,like some vineyard tool,and it's Northern counterpart,you may not see that much difference.
I watched a part of a cool video about harvesting Cork oak bark today,they had a distinct pattern of axe they were using,so if you look at the area where Cork oak hangs out,i don't think you'll see an impressive difference in shape of axe.
"North" in Europe is a relative deal...North to the hardwoods of France and Germany?...Or Way North,to the conifers in Scandinavia?:)

I don't know too many details about the axes of say Iberian peninsula,but i did briefly cruised through there when a (very) young hippie freak.
I was living in PNW then,and was amused at the toy logging they were doing deep in the Pyrenees,those spruce or pine were not very large.And that's the North of Southern Europe,i'd say.And i'm Sure that Basques,involved with ironworking since ancient times,had their own pattern for this,before chainsaws.

South of there the terrain and climate change,very different forests,and crops and consequently the tools used.

Pyrenees,as well as all the other sources of iron ore/centers of tool-making tradition were known since Celtic times.Such sites go on East of there clear around Mediterranean,and each region had their oaks or cedars or olives to cultivate et c.,the tool-making tradition following the usage,regionally.
 
As far as cork axes go, there are common design elements that are universal, but still more variety than you might expect!
 
As far as cork axes go, there are common design elements that are universal, but still more variety than you might expect!
I can only imagine!!!:)
But then that's one of the things that makes axes such fun!
(as in:"why in the h.. did they do That?!:)

A wild-looking hatchet that doesn't come up very often is a Pitch-harvester's job,Much variety in that tool,however the distribution of the trade geographically is also very large...

I want to make NO profound claims here(or elsewhere).The anthropology of axes is something i wish Someone competent would take on.A doctorate (or ten) in there somewhere,and Lots of fun in the process,for a right person.
 
It's probably obvious that the forms and variety of axes are derived from specific conditions. And before going further I'll also join Jake in making no sweeping or declarative statements beyond casual observation one of which is the widespread practice of coppicing particularly in the mountains of France, Spain, Portugal and Italy but also really across all of Europe and beyond. Jake also tells about the scale of forestry practices in the Pyrenees compared with those in the Pacific Northwest. This is not without some irony if we consider that much of the big trees in the later instance were destined to be milled into 2 X 4s for ballon framing.
For construction purposes it's important to note that in these areas wood was always a secondary building material with stone being much more heavily relied on. Wood was/is primarily reserved for roof construction and lintels for houses, shops, storage facilities and so on and so on. Exceptions would be wind and water mills where a good degree of flexibility in the construction was integral to function. It means that in general large dimension timbers were called for only sparingly and selectively.
Isn't it possible that the relatively broad sweep of these typical European axes, even more pronounced often in the Southern regions, were suited or influenced by the prevalence of coppicing where the longer edge was the most efficient way to work the small diameter "shoots" coming out of the mother stock? Anyway, it's my idea that this long lost culture of coppicing was more representative of forestry than harvesting trees in the lumberjack fashion and probably has had a commensurate influence on axes' shapes.
 
It's a very likely reason for Italian axes mostly being EITHER for chopping OR for splitting, rather than more dual-purpose builds like we're used to in North America. Under those circumstances there's very little need for splitting the majority of the time, and when you do need to it's probably going to be for something like rails or for crafting purposes where the precision of wedges and a sledge are better suited.
 
There is an excellent video on you tube on riving a 13m section of a tree into 8ths for rafters, am I allowed to post links to external cites?
 
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