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Dating German Knifes

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by Randy Pendleton, Dec 1, 2020.

  1. Randy Pendleton

    Randy Pendleton

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    Dec 1, 2020
    Does anyone know how to date a Friedr, Herder Abr.Sown Solingen-Germany locking back slip joint?
     
  2. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Not without a photo.
    Google and Herder Catalogues are absolutely without a doubt the best way to date a knife - if you post some very good clear photos of the knife perhaps a Herder or German Cutlery enthusiast with more knowledge on Herders history may see this and chime in?
     
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  3. Randy Pendleton

    Randy Pendleton

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    Dec 1, 2020
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  4. Randy Pendleton

    Randy Pendleton

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    Dec 1, 2020
    Restoration work was being completed on an old estate house and this was a discovered relic. I'm guessing by the screw-less construction it's 1800's but I'm no expert.
     
  5. Mike McFarlin

    Mike McFarlin

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    Dec 1, 2020
    How do I upload a photo from my files? I'd like help dating a Friedr Herder Abr. Sohn Solingen.
     
  6. Campbellclanman

    Campbellclanman Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    Mike- Imgur is how I post my photos. ( google this )

    Randy, that is not as early as you think, I am more in the mind that that Sod-Buster ( that is the name of that pattern of Knife that you have ) is more likely 1930 to 1940's. I have a few like that one.
     
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  7. Misplaced Hillbilly

    Misplaced Hillbilly Gold Member Gold Member

    May 16, 2018
    Traditional knives don't have screw construction, and are pinned. That includes right up to knives on the assembly line at Case and Great Eastern Cutlery among others, as I type this. I believe the pattern we commonly refer to as sodbusters is a quite old one however.
     
  8. joeradza

    joeradza Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 6, 2014
    I'm no expert, but never say never.
     
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  9. Mike Robuck

    Mike Robuck Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Some Miller Brothers knives had screws.
     
  10. Misplaced Hillbilly

    Misplaced Hillbilly Gold Member Gold Member

    May 16, 2018
    ALMOST never;):thumbsup:
     
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  11. Sidehill Gouger

    Sidehill Gouger

    Dec 29, 2007
    Very common pattern. The company still makes them. Most German knife outlets offer them in several handle variations.
     
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  12. John A. Larsen

    John A. Larsen

    Jan 15, 2001
    Is the blade marked D.R.G.M on the spine? If so before 1956. John
     
  13. Bastler

    Bastler Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 9, 2020
    This pattern of knife has been made from the late 19th century up until this very day. I bought this Otter Messer Hippekniep new last year.

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  14. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    I don't know about that, I'm seeing a lot of them being posted these days with screw construction. ;)
     
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  15. Misplaced Hillbilly

    Misplaced Hillbilly Gold Member Gold Member

    May 16, 2018
    I think I may be guilty of that myself :eek:
    :D:thumbsup:
     
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  16. herder

    herder Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Friedr. Herder had a long history with the sod-buster style knife which is first seen in a factory catalog dating to 1904 (a few different models are shown).
    What we call a "sod-buster" knife, Herder called a "Schlachter - Taschenmesser" which translates to "Butcher Pocket Knife".
    Unfortunately, it is generally quite difficult to precisely date most German pocket knives (or other European pocket knives) because the same models with the same markings were often produced for decades on end.
    In looking at several Herder catalogs over time, your model would fall into the 1930s to 1960s era.
    Enclosed are two catalog illustrations from 1935 and 1955 which show a wonderful variety of sod-buster models that Herder offered.

    BF Herder Sodbuster 1935 .jpg

    BF Herder Sodbuster 1955.jpg
     
  17. Marlingspike12

    Marlingspike12

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    May 28, 2019
    Thank you for the catalog photos @herder. I'm an enthusiast of this pattern.
     
  18. Randy Pendleton

    Randy Pendleton

    5
    Dec 1, 2020
    Wow! Thanks to everyone.
     
  19. Randy Pendleton

    Randy Pendleton

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    Dec 1, 2020
    The model in question is not on the 1935 but is on the 1955. Thanks for taking the time to provide that information.
     

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