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You're right, SpyderPhreak...Google. The first couple of times I tried Google for the info., I got a message saying the page I was looking for, couldn't be found. I tried Google again now, and I got the info. I was looking for.
Mokuti:
What is Mokuti?
Way overly simple explanation: Mokuti is the resulting material when titanium layers are worked into a Mokume-gane billet.
Mokuti starts life as layers of different titanium alloys. These are stacked and forged (in ways that are unique to each maker of the material) into a single billet. This billet is then cut to produce a visually dynamic, layered material. The technique is similar to the Mokume-gane style of metalworking from Japan. Since Mokume-gane uses materials like copper and nickel, it’s safe to say that it is much more forgiving than MokuTi. Even the material’s innovator, Chad Nichols, admitted to Blade Magazine in June 2018 that, “If I don’t make MokuTi for a month or two, I kind of count on the first two tries being crap.”
Mokuti also has a distinction of being a specific name for a material that became the ubiquitous way to encompass all layered titanium materials. The reason? We can only speculate that the reason for this is because Mokuti explains both the process (Mokume-gane) and the material (Ti) in one handy word. We also do not doubt this as the reason for the naming choice in the first place. So, just like Kleenex or Ziploc Bags, Mokuti has become the de facto name for layered titanium materials among a good portion of EDCaddicts.
In addition to Mokuti, there is also Timascus, which is a product of AKS. It was developed by Tom Ferry, Bill Cottrell, and Chuck Bybee. It is also a layered titanium product with a proprietary (ie. Secret as hell) method of bonding together the layers. It also produces that amazing layered effect, and has the rainbow room of colors we expect from Mokuti.
Timascus:
An innovative new material, Titanium Damascus or Timascus is the creation of a talented group of friends; Tom Ferry, Bill Cottrell, and Chuck Bybee.
Bybee had first come up with the idea of a titanium-based damascus and spoke with Tom Ferry, a Master Metalsmith, about his idea at various knife shows and venues, but the discussion always ended with Ferry doubting that such a laminate material could be produced.
Finally, Ferry's own curiosity led him to try. He suffered several failures -- including a mishap that sent liquid titanium spraying all over his shop, setting it ablaze -- and weeks of research before approaching fellow-smith Bill Cottrell for his thoughts. They developed a process that was successful immediately and were quick to put a patent on it - US Patent 6,857,558 - issued on February 22, 2005. Subsequent experiments have led to a refining of the process and the development of other patterns.
TECHNICAL SPECS
Consisting of two or more titanium alloys (currently CP and 6AL4V), Timascus is corrosion resistant, non-magnetic, and lightweight. It has the beautiful, upscale look of steel damascus without any of the disadvantages of steel that can disappoint some knife makers and collectors.
The timascus is made by placing these two different alloys of titanium into a metal box, filling the enclosure with inert gas and applying both heat and pressure to have the two alloys to forge laminated together.
When coloring, the current formulation seems to show more contrast using heat rather than anodizing. All current safe coloring techniques can be applied to Timascus. Future alloy combinations will have different color profiles. (It is only meant for knife furniture as titanium does not form carbides and doesn't harden enough for a sound blade.)
Working Timascus is essentially the same as any other titanium alloy except when milling. The blended types of titanium have different hardnesses sandwiched throughout the barstock. The varying hard and soft areas can cause wear on the cutting edges of tools. Use round-cornered cutters as they hold up better under machining.
Timascus is a beautiful fusion of old world decorative techniques and modern metal-smithing.
Mokuti:
What is Mokuti?
Way overly simple explanation: Mokuti is the resulting material when titanium layers are worked into a Mokume-gane billet.
Mokuti starts life as layers of different titanium alloys. These are stacked and forged (in ways that are unique to each maker of the material) into a single billet. This billet is then cut to produce a visually dynamic, layered material. The technique is similar to the Mokume-gane style of metalworking from Japan. Since Mokume-gane uses materials like copper and nickel, it’s safe to say that it is much more forgiving than MokuTi. Even the material’s innovator, Chad Nichols, admitted to Blade Magazine in June 2018 that, “If I don’t make MokuTi for a month or two, I kind of count on the first two tries being crap.”
Mokuti also has a distinction of being a specific name for a material that became the ubiquitous way to encompass all layered titanium materials. The reason? We can only speculate that the reason for this is because Mokuti explains both the process (Mokume-gane) and the material (Ti) in one handy word. We also do not doubt this as the reason for the naming choice in the first place. So, just like Kleenex or Ziploc Bags, Mokuti has become the de facto name for layered titanium materials among a good portion of EDCaddicts.
In addition to Mokuti, there is also Timascus, which is a product of AKS. It was developed by Tom Ferry, Bill Cottrell, and Chuck Bybee. It is also a layered titanium product with a proprietary (ie. Secret as hell) method of bonding together the layers. It also produces that amazing layered effect, and has the rainbow room of colors we expect from Mokuti.
Timascus:
An innovative new material, Titanium Damascus or Timascus is the creation of a talented group of friends; Tom Ferry, Bill Cottrell, and Chuck Bybee.
Bybee had first come up with the idea of a titanium-based damascus and spoke with Tom Ferry, a Master Metalsmith, about his idea at various knife shows and venues, but the discussion always ended with Ferry doubting that such a laminate material could be produced.
Finally, Ferry's own curiosity led him to try. He suffered several failures -- including a mishap that sent liquid titanium spraying all over his shop, setting it ablaze -- and weeks of research before approaching fellow-smith Bill Cottrell for his thoughts. They developed a process that was successful immediately and were quick to put a patent on it - US Patent 6,857,558 - issued on February 22, 2005. Subsequent experiments have led to a refining of the process and the development of other patterns.
TECHNICAL SPECS
Consisting of two or more titanium alloys (currently CP and 6AL4V), Timascus is corrosion resistant, non-magnetic, and lightweight. It has the beautiful, upscale look of steel damascus without any of the disadvantages of steel that can disappoint some knife makers and collectors.
The timascus is made by placing these two different alloys of titanium into a metal box, filling the enclosure with inert gas and applying both heat and pressure to have the two alloys to forge laminated together.
When coloring, the current formulation seems to show more contrast using heat rather than anodizing. All current safe coloring techniques can be applied to Timascus. Future alloy combinations will have different color profiles. (It is only meant for knife furniture as titanium does not form carbides and doesn't harden enough for a sound blade.)
Working Timascus is essentially the same as any other titanium alloy except when milling. The blended types of titanium have different hardnesses sandwiched throughout the barstock. The varying hard and soft areas can cause wear on the cutting edges of tools. Use round-cornered cutters as they hold up better under machining.
Timascus is a beautiful fusion of old world decorative techniques and modern metal-smithing.
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