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Delica 4 ZDP 189

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by Chesapeake/cbr, May 10, 2019.

  1. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
    so I picked up a Delica in zdp 189 ,a couple questions for any one who has a Delica as this is my first 1 ,I do have 2 para 3s and and a para 2 and really like them ,first off is the spidey hole is sharp on the edges of the hole ,my para 3 and 4 aren’t,and are they always this stiff to open ? Not real Flickable like a para ,it was 110 bucks due to the steel ,seems like a lot less quality than the para ,with not much difference in price ,is this the true of all th imported knifes? Thanks
     
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  2. lieferung

    lieferung Basic Member Basic Member

    May 24, 2016
    The Delica is a backlock these knives are typically not flickable, at least not without breaking it in.
     
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  3. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    As said above, lockback is not as flickable as the compression lock. As for the price, ZDP-189 has better edge retention than S30V. The base model of Delica 4 (with VG-10 steel) is much cheaper than the base models of PM2. It is also cheaper than the lightweight Para3.
     
  4. uxo2

    uxo2 Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 3, 2013
  5. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
  6. Wowbagger

    Wowbagger Basic Member Basic Member

    Sep 20, 2015
    That is highly debatable.
    ALTHOUGH
    I prefer ZDP-189 TO S30V.
    Yes I have one. I love the thing ! ! !

    Yes my ZDP Delica ( I have a few other Delicas) did seem to hava a bit stronger spring and so a bit more force was required to open it but after some oil and some use it is absolutely no problem at all on the one I have. If it continues to be too much contact Spyderco. They might even tweak the one you have and send it back to you.

    It does break in and the blade swings a bit easier. Also a degree or two looser on the pivot screw if it seems like a good idea on your particular knife (no or not much blade play) tends to free up the action.
    I can flick mine but it is no where near a Para 2 which is a whole 'nother world of deployment fun.

    When I hold my Delica horizontal and depress the back lock the blade drops consistently now. When I first got it it would not do this at all. I tweaked the pivot and it was a fifty fifty thing. After not too much use here these last couple of months it is very free now.

    I have read many comments here saying some Spydey holes are sharp.
    I have calloused old fart mechanic's hands so I have never had a problem with the finish on any of my many, many Spydercos. Run a little emery paper (wet or dry paper) or take a fine diamond rat tail file (these are very inexpensive) to it to take the edge off as it were.

    The more I use Delicas and the more I use mid back lock Spydercos in general such as the Endura the more I like these knives .:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
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  7. sliceofaloha

    sliceofaloha Gold Member Gold Member

    425
    Oct 4, 2018
    I like the bite of Spyderholes when they are like that - more positive traction.
     
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  8. Wowbagger

    Wowbagger Basic Member Basic Member

    Sep 20, 2015
    Here is an excerpt from the Ankerson cut tests. Sure the S30V blade is a custom.
    Sure there are not enough examples of ZDP-189 represented in the test.
    I'm just saying . . .
    (and yes I would still rather have ZDP blades ;))

     
  9. Wowbagger

    Wowbagger Basic Member Basic Member

    Sep 20, 2015
    And since I am on a roll :
    I prefer the Taichung and the Seki City knives to the Golden, CO knives for fit and finish and blade sharpness and geometry out of the box.
    . . . and I live with in a hundred miles of Golden, CO.
    Not saying I would turn down another Golden made knife. Far from it.
    Just that I do not consider an import Spyderco to be a compromise.
    More like frosting on the cake in fact !
     
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  10. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
    Well like I said I have 3 paras and yes there more expensive,but in my opinion they are way ahead in fit and finish over the imported knifes,I am basing this on my paras and the Delica 4 I just bought I realize they are different locking mechanisms but the finish on this Delica isn’t close to the paras!makes me wonder why they aren’t all made in America like Benchmade
     
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  11. Chris "Anagarika"

    Chris "Anagarika"

    Mar 7, 2001
    The sharp holes is not sign of lacking attention. It’s done that way by design, so the finger doesn’t slip when operating the knife. I suggest using fine ceramic rod to soften it if you want, don’t use diamond as it may get overdone and you lose the traction. Do one circular swipe, test and do another if not enough. Avoid going aggressively.
     
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  12. FK

    FK Gold Member Gold Member

    839
    Sep 15, 1999
    I have a ZDP-189 Delica 4 and also did not care for the sharp edges on the blade hole. Used a diamond rod to soften the edges and over did it,,,, slightly too much and a little less purchase when opening the blade. Agree with above and go slowly with testing often.

    Early Delica/Endura knives had factory blending of hole edges which I do not care for,,,, they used too much radius. Would much rather have sharp edges that I can modify to personal preference.

    Regards,
    FK
     
  13. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
    I find it hard to believe this is intentional,but you are in titled to your opinion
     
  14. lieferung

    lieferung Basic Member Basic Member

    May 24, 2016
    Sal himself has said this, so believe it or not this is a fact. My Manix, an American made knife has a "sharp" hole, but I don't care because it's not really sharp its just more acute than some care for.
     
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  15. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
    Oh ok thanks my paras must be defective then because there nice and smooth
     
  16. oldmanwilly

    oldmanwilly Gold Member Gold Member

    204
    Mar 7, 2014
    Pure speculation here, but perhaps the spydie holes on the Para3/Para2 are not as sharp because they need less engagement to open the blades on those knives, unlike the Delica. They are generally smoother and more "flickable" than the Delica. Therefore it is possible your Para3/Para2's are not defective.

    As for general fit and finish on the Delica: at one point or another I have owned three of them, including one in ZDP-189. I may be less discriminating and consider the Delica to be a high value, lower cost, utilitarian folder so I am not bothered by the faint grind lines on my Delicas (which are also present on both of my Golden-made Para3's). Other than the faint grind lines I have never noticed any issues with the finishing. Your tastes may vary.

    As to the more sluggish opening mechanism on the Delica: I actually prefer the added friction in the pivot, as compared to the Para3. I think it makes the Delica feel more solid in use, which matters to me in such a light and slim knife.

    Notwithstanding your misgivings, you've got a great knife in your hands. Use it and you will enjoy it more than you think.
     
  17. uxo2

    uxo2 Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 3, 2013
    The only Spyderco that I have owned that did not have a sharp hole was a Maxamet Manix.

    As for the Delica. I tweaked the lock bar slightly to improve the action.
     
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  18. Chesapeake/cbr

    Chesapeake/cbr

    43
    Apr 5, 2019
    Thanks ,I was being sarcastic about the paras being defective,I love my para 2,but from now on no more imported knifes for me !
     
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  19. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    Yes this is the answer. If it requires too much force to open the blade, just bend the lockbar outward a bit. I used this tweak to adjust my Delica to my liking.
     
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  20. AlwaysTomboy

    AlwaysTomboy

    747
    Jan 31, 2016
    Shame that you're going to let something so easy to fix limit your options. The US manufactured Spydercos are great, but you'll be missing out on some truly awesome models, and not just the ones made in Japan. The fit and finish on the Taiwan manufactured models is absolutely amazing, although you'll probably still want to run a sharpening rod or a bit of fine grit sandpaper around the edge of the thumb hole since, as others have said, those are left that way by design and not as a result of shoddy finishing techniques. :)
     

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