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Deployment: Faster from in-pocket carry than from clipped

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Smaug, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. Smaug

    Smaug Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    I just realized the other day that I can get a knife out and deployed faster from the bottom of my pocket than from a typical pocket-clipped position.

    When it's clipped on the pocket, I have to pull it off, then re-position it in my hand, then flip it open.

    When it's IN the pocket, I can position my hand on it while it's still in the pocket, so that when I pull it out, I'm flipping it open as soon as it clears my pocket. (no need to re-position my grip)

    After making this discovery, I'm thinking that it's better to carry a smaller (3 to 3-1/4" blade) 1-handed knife than a larger one.

    There may be other factors, for example if you carry a lot of crap in your pocket with the knife, but other than an Emerson opener, this seems to be fastest. Even an auto is not really any faster to deploy.

    Give it a fair comparison and let me know what you think.
     
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  2. 91bravo

    91bravo Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 2008
    Why do you need to pull the knife out of your pocket so fast?
     
  3. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    I just carry mine in my hand. Doesn't get any faster.

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  4. Lee D

    Lee D Basic Member Basic Member

    May 27, 2013
    You walk really slow tho
     
  5. l1ranger

    l1ranger Gold Member Gold Member

    841
    Jan 27, 2017
    i dont know about your situation, but it takes me longer to get my hand to the bottom of my pocket, than it does to pull the clipped knife and open it.
    you may need to run several time trials on this and present the results
     
  6. Smaug

    Smaug Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 30, 2003
    Normally, I don't. A slipjoint pocket knife would be fine. But getting a knife out and deployed quickly is always fun and sometimes necessary.


    You must have very deep pockets indeed!

    "Need to"? I don't think so, but it may be fun! I'll think about it.
     
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  7. Quiet

    Quiet "That guy" Platinum Member

    Oct 11, 2013
    Tip-up knives are a thing, you know. o_O
     
  8. The Aflac Duck

    The Aflac Duck Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    Clearly you missed the point...

    When it's clipped on his pocket, he has to pull it off, then re-position it in his hand, and then flip it open.

    When it's IN his pocket, he can position his hand on it while it's still in his pocket, so that when he pulls it out, he’s flipping it open as soon as it clears his pocket. (no need to re-position his grip).

    See???
     
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  9. 91bravo

    91bravo Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 29, 2008
    Drawing from concealed and double tapping is an excellent drill to practice.
     
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  10. Skar

    Skar

    266
    Mar 24, 2020
    No I don't see any advantage.
    I also don't understand why you are repositioning the knife to open it ?

    So if you want to quickly open the knife...
    You first need to have your hand in the bottom of your pocket with the knife in the proper position.
    Then Surprise a knife is out !!!
     
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  11. MarkN86

    MarkN86

    503
    Sep 3, 2012
    I'm not so sure I agree. You still have to orient the knife and find the opening controls. A knife that is in the same position at all times will always be faster to access than one that rattles around loose. If you want the fastest deployment, fixed blade is king. I can say I've never once had to quickdraw my knife that I wasn't just horsing around.

    When I carried my Skyline I preferred tip down because of the large flipper tab and the pocket clip position. Even tip down I never had an issue getting the knife out, turned, and opened very quickly. It's a practice and familiarity thing. If a pocket carry works for you that's great, we all have our own way of doing things and the world is richer for it.
     
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  12. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    I just find my hands are too big for my pockets so if my knife isn't clipped right there outside it's a real struggle to jam my hand in there grab the knife.
    #bighandstruggles
     
  13. Alberta Ed

    Alberta Ed

    Jun 29, 1999
    Better to have your knife already drawn and open -- the real old-time gunfighters didn't practice fast draw.
     
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  14. Lesknife

    Lesknife Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Mar 31, 2018
    I don’t know how you’re drawing it when it’s clipped but I draw mine tip up with my thumb in along side the knife with my index and middle fingers outside pushing up and sliding exactly in place to flip it open. I don’t pull it out from the end, it’s almost like grasping the knife through my jeans only slightly and then sliding it out into my grasp that’s already established. I can be like I have my thumb in my pocket resting and in a flash it’s flipped out. You might have to practice.
     
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  15. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    Right. Thumb inside pocket, on side of knife; middle finger hooks clip and lifts knife out of pocket. Knife ends up right where it's supposed to be.
     
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  16. Steely_Gunz

    Steely_Gunz Got the Khukuri fevah Moderator

    May 9, 2002
    no matter how slow the draw is with it clipped to my pocket, I much prefer it to having a knife lay sideways an poke more tender bits when I sit down.

    For me, the absolute fastest that I can decided to use or not is the Spydie Drop. I don't carry a Spyderco often at all, but dropping it open is super quick but not "automatic" like a waved feature. I like that I can control if I do it or not. My waved ZT630 snaps open with an obnoxious thwack even when I just want to draw the knife and thumb it open quietly. That wave feature is very easy to use.

    I dont carry a pocket knife to get to it fast. i carry it have it be convenient. It's better for me if it stays clipped to my pocket and out of the way so I can get to it easier.
     
  17. NorthernSouthpaw

    NorthernSouthpaw Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 27, 2014
    Regardless of where the knife resides. Unless it's an OTF, you have to reposition your hand so you can deploy the blade anyway.
    Also I can't see how it is faster to put your hand in a pocket, find the knife, make sure it's oriented properly, and pull it out. Also factor in if you are sitting down it's a hell of a lot harder to go digging in your pocket for anything. Never mind a small knife sitting laterally at the bottom of your pocket pinned between your thigh and a taut piece of material (in my case, usually jeans). I know I have to shift my whole body when reaching into my pocket while I'm sitting down.
     
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  18. Owen K.

    Owen K. Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 9, 2016
    Pulling a fixie out of kydex is fast.
     
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  19. john april

    john april KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 27, 2006
    you will not stick your hand in your pocket during an altercation :thumbsdown:
     
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  20. CWL

    CWL

    Sep 15, 2002
    Clipped knife is exactly where you left, in the exact position you left it in, every single time, 24/7.

    Pocket knife moves around.
     

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