Don't fall for eBay price scam

[Pittknife]

Hi All,

First, I have no interest in the ZT 0392, whole I'm a big ZT fan and own some of the tier 1 limiteds, I had no interest in the 0392. I definitely wasn't going to take someones spot and try gouge my fellow knife breathes on BF.

I discovered that eBay prices in collectables or often times misleading to outright scams. Here are a couple of examples:

1. There is a seller that has been banned in here Liu Kang, he places eBay ads for high-end knives at ridicoilous prices. They never sale, yet he relist them at an even higher price. He uses it as an ad service expecting to negotiate the price through email outside of eBay so he doesn't have to pay the fee. I know this because I saw a RJ Martin he listed for $2800 and I didn't know it was him. when I found out who he was I declind to do business with him. He was quoting his own absurd sales listing as a basis for the value of the knife, saying they are on eBay for $2800. A Q36is $1800-$2000 all day, I paid under that for mine.

2. Some collectable places have guerrilla marketing where they place collectibles on eBay for ridicoilous prices and then have other accounts to bid it up. After they bid it up they will cancel the deal and not pay the eBay fees. Why do this? It drives up the average price so that they can charge more in the future or they use it as a prestige marketing story. For example, omg did you hear that the ZT 0392 sold for $1500 on eBay!!!! We should buy the ones for $800. I don't believe KAI is doing this, I do believe flippers are.
How do I know this? Last year during an LE run, I got a 0454 but another friend who missed it asked me to get him one as he was new to collecting. I contacted one of the eBay listers that had it for a moderate price of $900. It had the same serial number as the one another seller listed and sold for supposedly $1600.
I also worked in the golf industry out of college and have seen this type of guerrilla marketing with prototypes and tour only models. But in that case, the company would make sure they won the club and cancel the sell so no one can get the club. It was a free marketing tool for them to drive up buzz.

3. Anyone can make a listing on eBay for any ridicoilous price. I could put shirogorov mod95 on there for $4000, it's meaningless. No one is going to buy it for that price, yet people will go "Shirogoroc mod95s are $4000" because it's in eBay... That is asinine.
eBay is a worst version of zillow, zillow is notorious for not having an accurate price for real estate, zillow even states that it is inaccurate and should just be used for a loose base. eBay is 10x worse, there is no algorithm, it's just some greedy people making prices up.
There is a member on here advertising that a ZT 0392 sold for $1500, that is a lie and he knows it, there are 4-5 listings right now for $700-800 range and they are not selling. There's a bunch of them on bf in that range that are not selling, it's stupid to think someone would pay $1500 for a $375 knife when any search will reveal listings for less than half.

Lastly,

I 100% believe in free markets & capitalism, you sell whatever you want for what you want as Lin as it is legal. What I don't like is seeing a few fellow memeber using false information and trying to take advantage of other members. We are a knife community, most of us on here have real passion for knives. Is your greed really worth taking advantage of your fellow knife brethren? How would you feel if there was a knife you really wants and couldn't get because others were perpetuating a price lie? I think you should be ashamed because you know those prices aren't real.

As a reminder, I had an opportunity and passed on the ZT 0392, I'm not interested. I collect high-end customs that have become ridicoilous in price, because of this greed and pricing lies. Could I have made money doing the same? Yeah, but here is what I remind myself of, one day I'll be the one with googly eyes for a knife and someone else is in the position of gouging me.

I hope this helps some of you not get ripped in these price scams.

 

[KELAMA]

I 100% believe in free markets & capitalism, you sell whatever you want for what you want as Lin as it is legal. What I don't like is seeing a few fellow memeber using false information and trying to take advantage of other members. We are a knife community, most of us on here have real passion for knives. Is your greed really worth taking advantage of your fellow knife brethren? How would you feel if there was a knife you really wants and couldn't get because others were perpetuating a price lie? I think you should be ashamed because you know those prices aren't real.

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+1000 Awesome post, Mike! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


FWIW- the warning I received yesterday morning, for the $350 F.Y. lowball offer I posted in response the F.Y. brotherhood deal $900 asking price on the LE 392 by this seller, was well worth it...and I do, sincerely appreciate your understanding, Mod Rycen. :thumbup: & your decision to issue me a warning, vs. an infraction.

Yesterdays' ZT 392 LE flipper's really aren't that much different, than Liu Kang...except Liu Kang, has the decency to insult the buyer's on eBay, with his absurd, offensive asking prices/scam tactics...whereas these pretend "BROTHERS" here on BF, are out to screw the very member's they try to fool with their B.S. brotherhood façade...

I mean really: $900 for a one day old 392 release, purchased for $375...& here on BladeForums of all places?

Lastly, a free market is one thing, these absurd, greedy, price gouging, F.Y asking prices, (the very day they received their ZT LE knives), are completely another! Especially when you look at all of the "BLADEFORUM" member's who tried desperately to get one of these LE, to keep! I would've had zero problems, had these seller's listed their knives on a different selling venue...the fact that they chose to come on the very forum they choose to socialize & act like they're your buddy on, sucked! This just proves, that these type of people don't appreciate this hobby as a fun enjoyable passion/hobby...it's only about the money & it's a business!

BF is a small World...& my BF World just got a lot smaller. Enjoy your $$$, flippers! I added about 8 people to my Ignore "never to do business" List, yesterday.

 

[Rey HRH]

There's a sucker born every minute.

A fool and his money is some party.

I also believe 100% in free markets. The thing about free markets is that they are self-correcting. If by some shilling and scamming, someone paid a gazillion dollars for a bamboo toothpick, guess what? That was the true market price at that time. No one is "forced" to buy any particular knife; they don't need it to live. If they give up their own money on their own volition, it's on them what they paid for a knife.

And I have nothing against your post as it's just information. It would probably save some people some money.

 

[Pittknife]

^^^^^
+1000 Awesome post, Mike! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


FWIW- the warning I received yesterday morning, for the $350 F.Y. lowball offer I posted in response the F.Y. brotherhood deal $900 asking price on the LE 392 by this seller, was well worth it...and I do, sincerely appreciate your understanding, Mod Rycen. :thumbup: & your decision to issue me a warning, vs. an infraction.

Yesterdays' ZT 392 LE flipper's really aren't that much different, than Liu Kang...except Liu Kang, has the decency to insult the buyer's on eBay, with his absurd, offensive asking prices/scam tactics...whereas these pretend "BROTHERS" here on BF, are out to screw the very member's they try to fool with their B.S. brotherhood façade...

I mean really: $900 for a one day old 392 release, purchased for $375...& here on BladeForums of all places?

Lastly, a free market is one thing, these absurd, greedy, price gouging, F.Y asking prices, (the very day they received their ZT LE knives), are completely another! Especially when you look at all of the "BLADEFORUM" member's who tried desperately to get one of these LE, to keep! I would've had zero problems, had these seller's listed their knives on a different selling venue...the fact that they chose to come on the very forum they choose to socialize & act like they're your buddy on, sucked! This just proves, that these type of people don't appreciate this hobby as a fun enjoyable passion/hobby...it's only about the money & it's a business!

BF is a small World...& my BF World just got a lot smaller. Enjoy your $$$, flippers! I added about 8 people to my Ignore "never to do business" List, yesterday.

Hey Bro,

I support your right to make whatever offer you want brother. I also noted these people on my do not do business with list.

 

[Pittknife]

There's a sucker born every minute.

A fool and his money is some party.

I also believe 100% in free markets. The thing about free markets is that they are self-correcting. If by some shilling and scamming, someone paid a gazillion dollars for a bamboo toothpick, guess what? That was the true market price at that time. No one is "forced" to buy any particular knife; they don't need it to live. If they give up their own money on their own volition, it's on them what they paid for a knife.

And I have nothing against your post as it's just information. It would probably save some people some money.

You have some good points bro. I support everyone's right to sell for what they want, what I take issue with is the perpetuation of a false price.

The market price is what someone is willing to pay for an item, my issue is that the price people are claiming is false. People are not paying $1500 for a zt 0392, it's a false price, no one is paying that much.

Just look at the recent sales threads, in 24 hours they have dropped in price and edited their sales description because these are not selling.

Why would they drop there prices if they could really get $1500 for the knife? You mean these members out if the goodness if their heart only want to make 200% profit instead of 400%? Lol, no, the price is not market price, these people are promoting a false price in pursuit of absurd profits.

Eventually, the real users & people who really want it will get these, after all these flippers get tired of having a knife they can't sell.

Just look at the zt 0454, you can buy them on here or IG for $675, people still claim these are $1000+. It's most likely because they have one and want their knife to increase in value. They hope if they keep saying its a $1000 knife it will be and they can sell it.

 

[asdf12345]

A couple 0392s were sold on here for $800 and $900 if I remember right (of course the prices were wiped after they sold). Wonder how much those knives will be worth a week from now if prices have already been adjusted to around $700 and are not selling at that price.

Similar manipulative activity happens all day long on Instagram and Facebook. It happens a lot with custom knives by newer makers, Microtech knives, and LEs.

 

[KELAMA]

Hey Bro,

I support your right to make whatever offer you want brother. I also noted these people on my do not do business with list.

Instead of focusing this thread, on the 392 LE "flippers" & their offensive BLADEFORUM'S asking prices...I hope you don't mind me getting off track, Mike, & giving an example of what I mean by the "Brotherhood Spirit" experiences, with just one of many member's, whom I've come to know well, here on BF.

Big Lou:

Big Lou & I met awhile back (I don't even remember exactly what knife or subject precipitated our friendship- but we hit it off). Big Lou, lives about a 70 up the road from me, in SoCal. We've done a few deals, both on & off the forums.

I gave Big Lou a pretty good deal on a Spyderco Military Ti; I mailed it up without a payment being sent...a couple of days later, Big Lou, was texting pictures of he & his family, on a snowboarding vacation up in Big Bear ski resort. He sent me a few awesome pictures of the Spyderco Military, stuck in the snow, and another picture of him cutting up some carne asada meat for the barbeque; thanking, & telling me, what a great slicer it was.

Through our conversations (email/text/phone), I've learned that Big Lou, is a devoted, loving, family man, & his children are his number 1 priority. He also enjoys surfing, & occasionally takes his wife and his children to Manhattan Beach, a place where he enjoys longboard surfing. He enjoys a nice micro-brewed pale ale on occasion, & his passion for expensive flashlights, precedes his passion for knives...

Which leads me to this: a couple of weeks ago, I went & checked my mailbox, & there was a small flat rate USPS box inside. I wasn't expecting anything, so I was surprised to see, Big Lou's name, as being the shipper. Inside, was a really cool Surefire flashlight, that he just sent me out of the blue...just because he is a nice guy, & a friend. The Big Lou, tough guys persona, also has a kind, giving soft side! :thumbup:

Big Lou & I plan on getting together, during his next trip down here to Carlsbad. We may beach it, or he'll take his kids to LEGOLAND, & afterwards I plan on taking Big Lou, & his family, to this awesome Mexican restaurant (I frequent along the coast)...I'm looking forward to toasting a nice cold 22 oz. Ballast Point Sculpin, with my BF bro!

 

[treeshaker]

I have never admired the job mods have to do. And consider the mods in the exchange, the real heroes of BF.
If you look around the forum the top of the cream mods are here, and when necessary they make the best calls elsewhere. They probably think I disagree, but hats off to Rycen, RevDevil, Mike G. Glockman99, and Mr. Benjamin regardless where he mods. They do an impossible job in the exchange.

That said I would say that 95% of the problems come from everyday buyers who ALLOW scum to sell and DEAL/FLIP/CATCH AND RELEASE here. These same 95% agree to add 3-3.5-3.9-4.0 % to paypal. To use the gift option, and to respond to inflated prices, by moving topic "off site". Force the seller to stay on site and eliminate the auction that exist in the exchange. I will also add that IMO and via well over a 100 transactions, that min. 60% of the items listed are done so by professional dealers !! Again, Make this clear, DEALERS are all over the forum in exchange in the form of Registered, Gold, Plat. members who are cheating the owner, Kevin, aka Spark out of Dealer fees. NO ONE CAN FLIP/CATCH AND RELEASE 50 KNIVES A MONTH. NO ONE..

I have argued this point with RevDevil since day one. It is easy to see. A huge part of the forum, never reach the understanding or knowledge of the scam, because they don't BUY 100-500 knives a year. Why is that hard to understand. I can look at one thread and tell you the past history on that knife and the 10 sites it is listed on. Simple software does that for me. I and others posting here now can tell the price point of most every knife listed as soon as it appears. That is why knives get sold within the "newly listed " section so fast. Alerts, whether mind set or software alerted.

The forum should set a number of items that can be listed per month freely then charge a dealer fee. This thing of certain areas of the forum being tough, may be true, but the exchange is a land field, loaded with mines ready to explode at any time. The exchange is not for the weak nor the uneducated. It's not fair, and members here cheat daily in it. BLESS THE MODS !! Members need to step up and help. And when you see a violation, don't buy the knife, report it. And when the seller gets caught by a Mod, the Buyer should also pay the price. Everyone should pay the price, everyone. I see everyone running to GBU, but no one runs to the MODS on the front end. As RevDevil has said many times, " you did not ask me when you made a foolish deal, why do you need me now" ?? The black triangle on every post is our key. Yes it will upset some, but Flippers/dealers/catch and release really destroy the exchange. And lastly the ability for a non paying member to post in "I want section" is a terrible rule, Terrible.. Why should they steal a knife without joining or paying, totally unfair. But such is any forum. rb black

 

[Marko3]

I am a capitalist first and foremost.. Being self employed for many years I live and die by the free market.


It sickens me to see the greedy pigs trying to feed at the trough . I subscribe to the brotherhood aspect of the forum . I see the pigs and I stay away from them. I try to
associate with like minded collectors and traders. I never feel the need to screw people
over for a pocket knife. Do these folks realize how stupid they look ?

I recently purchased a knife that had long been on my list . Long out of production. It costs me a pretty penny but it is something I valued. It was a little more than I wanted to spend. The
man who sold me the knife could have tried to squeeze me. We did a little negotiating but it was fair and we finished as friends.

I am very much in tune with the prices around the knife community and the sad state of affairs it has come for the average guy. All I can say to the greedy pig's ... Kiss Off : jerk it jerk it jerk it :

(( no jerk it outside of whine & cheese please ))

 

[Apec]

I really like some of the creative stories I saw from 0392 ads. Someone's wife got him an extra 0392 as a "gift" and so he decided to sell his spare.

 

[ArchieFunker]

I really like some of the creative stories I saw from 0392 ads. Someone's wife got him an extra 0392 as a "gift" and so he decided to sell his spare.

Lol. Yeah I laughed pretty hard when I saw that ad. Yeah right. Haha. Oh hey, I just got my 0392, I didn't open the box, but I can tell the knife isn't for me. I guess I'll sell it....for $300 more than I bought it for. Pshhh. Yeah sure you were interested in this knife. Interested in making a bunch of cash. What tools.

I was lucky enough or score one from gp knives. If for some reason I don't like it (yeah right), I will unload it for what I paid plus shipping and pp. That's fair right? The only thing about that is guaranteed I will end up selling it to some twat who ends up flipping for some outrageous price and my "good deed" is wasted.

When I sell a knife (if i sell a knife?) I am usually pretty stoked if I get my money out of a nib knife that just ends up collecting dust. Usually I unload them to friends for a good deal. Sure I lose a few bucks, but so what? I got to check out a new blade, and a friend is happy he nabbed a sweet blade for a good price.

It's irritating to see people who obviously aren't interested in a blade pick one up just to flip it for some unreasonable price. Same goes for ticket scalpers. The artist sells a ticket for 30, and there's always a ton of wankers snapping up the tix just to flip. So frustrating.

Anyway. I am ranting too much. I just dipise flippers, especially greedy ones.

Op, thanks for the heads up, its nice to know where the prices on eBay are coming from.

 

[S.Alexander]

The forum should set a number of items that can be listed per month freely then charge a dealer fee.

That's actually a really good idea. I don't think it would be very easy to implement though.

 

[drrickso]

I believe in brotherhood here and people that have dealt with me before would vouch for my going out of the way to help whenever possible, but asking for any price on a sold out LE knife when the market is at its highest demand isnt greedy- it's maximizing the opportunity youre given, and thats what i did as well.

Initially i wanted the zt for myself but sold mine on the forums here after I saw what they were listing/selling for. Never before had i sold a knife for profit- but if your telling me i have the opportunity to get another knife worth double that id rather have- i'm taking it.

It happens with other LE's, Hinderers, Busse, etc where unavailable items dictate a higher price and Ive paid those higher prices before. I understand how it works and yes Id rather pay less too, but no one is forcing me or anyone else to buy so I deal with it- and in this instance I traded up to a knife Id rather have.

Sorry if that let anyone down, but I didnt go in with the intention of flipping. As an anology to put this into perspective: if you bet or play poker with your friends do you just hand them your money or give it back to them immediately when they lose? No- you play the game, and if you come out ahead you chalk it up as a temporary win knowing you'll likely lose it back next time.

edit: ill also add that most people youre reffering to wouldnt care enough to come in here and explain the situation.

 

[Apec]

Lol. Yeah I laughed pretty hard when I saw that ad. Yeah right. Haha. Oh hey, I just got my 0392, I didn't open the box, but I can tell the knife isn't for me. I guess I'll sell it....for $300 more than I bought it for. Pshhh. Yeah sure you were interested in this knife. Interested in making a bunch of cash. What tools.

I was lucky enough or score one from gp knives. If for some reason I don't like it (yeah right), I will unload it for what I paid plus shipping and pp. That's fair right? The only thing about that is guaranteed I will end up selling it to some twat who ends up flipping for some outrageous price and my "good deed" is wasted.

When I sell a knife (if i sell a knife?) I am usually pretty stoked if I get my money out of a nib knife that just ends up collecting dust. Usually I unload them to friends for a good deal. Sure I lose a few bucks, but so what? I got to check out a new blade, and a friend is happy he nabbed a sweet blade for a good price.

It's irritating to see people who obviously aren't interested in a blade pick one up just to flip it for some unreasonable price. Same goes for ticket scalpers. The artist sells a ticket for 30, and there's always a ton of wankers snapping up the tix just to flip. So frustrating.

Anyway. I am ranting too much. I just dipise flippers, especially greedy ones.

Op, thanks for the heads up, its nice to know where the prices on eBay are coming from.

Way back when the 0777 damascus pre-orders were charging and being shipped, I changed my mind. But instead of dropping out of the pre-order, I sold it at cost to a friend who wanted one and had trouble getting a dealer arrangement (though he no longer has that knife, lol, but he sold it to deal with some upcoming bills later down the road).

It just seems silly to me to make up a story or excuse to sell the knife right after release. If you want to flip it, just flip it. Post your price and be done with it, there's no need to make a transparent excuse for the sale.

 

[Marko3]

Hey been thinking a little and at the end of the day there are always going to be the super high prices being thrown around ebay. Guys that are predators . The good thing is the people on this site know better than to fall for it.

I guess what I am trying to say is you want to be greedy go ahead . Get yourself a website or Ebay store and showcase your inflated prices go and jack up the prices of new makers who should have to earn there way to the top and don't because of people like you, Have a blast.. Just don't come around here and try and act like one of us just to try and profiteer from the knife community .

 

[KELAMA]

I believe in brotherhood here and people that have dealt with me before would vouch for my going out of the way to help whenever possible, but asking for any price on a sold out LE knife when the market is at its highest demand isnt greedy- it's maximizing the opportunity youre given, and thats what i did as well.

Initially i wanted the zt for myself but sold mine on the forums here after I saw what they were listing/selling for. Never before had i sold a knife for profit- but if your telling me i have the opportunity to get another knife worth double that id rather have- i'm taking it.

It happens with other LE's, Hinderers, Busse, etc where unavailable items dictate a higher price and Ive paid those higher prices before. I understand how it works and yes Id rather pay less too, but no one is forcing me or anyone else to buy so I deal with it- and in this instance I traded up to a knife Id rather have.

Sorry if that let anyone down, but I didnt go in with the intention of flipping. As an anology to put this into perspective: if you bet or play poker with your friends do you just hand them your money or give it back to them immediately when they lose? No- you play the game, and if you come out ahead you chalk it up as a temporary win knowing you'll likely lose it back next time.

edit: ill also add that most people youre referring to wouldn't care enough to come in here and explain the situation.

Hey Rick,

I totally respect the fact, that you are willing to come on here & discuss this subject. We've exchanged a few PM's, so I have a much better understanding, exactly where you are coming from.

Every member on BladeForums, faces all forms of challenges in life. We live in a dog eat dog World, & it's not always easy to support a family, or pay for unexpected emergencies in life...& the fact is, we all need money to survive. Every time I visit the gas station to fill up my trucks tank, or go to the grocery store, my wallet takes a big hit.

I know I'm being redundant, but my issue over the 392 release, & the subsequent flipping frenzy that followed; didn't have as much to do with the prices that were being asked- it had more to do with the venue chosen (BladeForums). I just personally feel, that eBay would've been the perfect place to sell these. That's just my opinion.

As for your analogy: I stopped playing high stakes poker with my friends, a long time ago...my friendships are much more important than their $$$!

So we're cool, Rick...I'm already over the fact that I wasn't able to land one of these LE. Besides, there is always, a never ending supply of beautiful knives to buy on this forum. Best of luck on landing that grail you've been looking for.

 

[drrickso]

Hey Rick,

I totally respect the fact, that you are willing to come on here & discuss this subject. We've exchanged a few PM's, so I have a much better understanding, exactly where you are coming from.

Every member on BladeForums, faces all forms of challenges in life. We live in a dog eat dog World, & it's not always easy to support a family, or pay for unexpected emergencies in life...& the fact is, we all need money to survive. Every time I visit the gas station to fill up my trucks tank, or go to the grocery store, my wallet takes a big hit.

I know I'm being redundant, but my issue over the 392 release, & the subsequent flipping frenzy that followed; didn't have as much to do with the prices that were being asked- it had more to do with the venue chosen (BladeForums). I just personally feel, that eBay would've been the perfect place to sell these. That's just my opinion.

As for your analogy: I stopped playing high stakes poker with my friends, a long time ago...my friendships are much more important than their $$$!

So we're cool, Rick...I'm already over the fact that I wasn't able to land one of these LE. Besides, there is always, a never ending supply of beautiful knives to buy on this forum. Best of luck on landing that grail you've been looking for.

thanks john, i enjoy the conversations on bf even when i dont see eye to eye with people... thats a good point about ebay being a better place to do inflated priced items so as not to hurt feelings of our members in the knife community.

ive always seen people charge what the market says something is worth in here- especially on LE ZTs so I didnt see it as an issue. As we've talked about I have mixed feelings on flipping- but ultimately I decided my reasoning and openess in the listing legitmized the ask- especially since i dont make a habit of it.

still waiting to hear back on that grail btw. and yes poker isnt for everyone because there can be hurt feelings from time to time, but the people i play with know to seperate the game from friendships. much like our knife hobby, poker/gambling is a luxury so I'm only putting in what i can afford to lose and not taking money away from bills and priorities. it is easier said than done though.

 

[Pittknife]

I have pretty much the same sentiment. I don't care if you want to flip a knife, that's your chose. I have some customs that are appreciating at a crazy rate, the day I decide to sale one or trade it will be for a fair price.

What I have a problem is coming in BF and making up prices or quoting ridicoilous prices you know are not real. eBay is the place for price gouging, BF is a special place, why come on here and lie. I've seen people get deals in here and turn around and make a handsome profit, I've also seen those people get blacklisted.

Just don't lie about it and try to fool the brotherhood.

 

[ohioan]

Stop changing the price of things to $old when an item sells. Mskes it easier for flippers, makes it harder for people tonfigure out the true marlet value of their knife.

I always assume a knife sold for less than the original ad in the exchange.

 

[rickknife]

Lol. Yeah I laughed pretty hard when I saw that ad. Yeah right. Haha. Oh hey, I just got my 0392, I didn't open the box, but I can tell the knife isn't for me. I guess I'll sell it....for $300 more than I bought it for. Pshhh. Yeah sure you were interested in this knife. Interested in making a bunch of cash. What tools.

I was lucky enough or score one from gp knives. If for some reason I don't like it (yeah right), I will unload it for what I paid plus shipping and pp. That's fair right? The only thing about that is guaranteed I will end up selling it to some twat who ends up flipping for some outrageous price and my "good deed" is wasted.

When I sell a knife (if i sell a knife?) I am usually pretty stoked if I get my money out of a nib knife that just ends up collecting dust. Usually I unload them to friends for a good deal. Sure I lose a few bucks, but so what? I got to check out a new blade, and a friend is happy he nabbed a sweet blade for a good price.

It's irritating to see people who obviously aren't interested in a blade pick one up just to flip it for some unreasonable price. Same goes for ticket scalpers. The artist sells a ticket for 30, and there's always a ton of wankers snapping up the tix just to flip. So frustrating.

Anyway. I am ranting too much. I just dipise flippers, especially greedy ones.

Op, thanks for the heads up, its nice to know where the prices on eBay are coming from.

Stop changing the price of things to $old when an item sells. Mskes it easier for flippers, makes it harder for people tonfigure out the true marlet value of their knife.

I always assume a knife sold for less than the original ad in the exchange.

Why is the price so often changed to sold or removed on BF? I am new to BF, about a year, and have been buying a lot of knives for about a year and a half now. Trying to figure out fair prices is hard, harder still when they are removed so fast. Ebay leaves the price in the the sold section for a long time, not withstanding the previously mentioned problems with ebay prices they are there to see. What do you more experienced members think about the constant removal of prices here on the Forum?