DPMS vs Rock River

gatorzingo

gatorzingo

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I value the knowledge and expertise here. A buddy of mine is looking into purchasing his first M4 A2. He has expressed to me the DPMS "sportical". I think he will get more bang for the buck with a Rock River CAR A4. The Rock River comes with a front sight while the DPMS does not. I have the RR CAR A4 and she is a sweet weapon.

Any thoughts are well appreciated.
 
What are the prices of each AR? That will help you get a more educated answer.
 
I asked the same type question to a buddy who is LEO/SWAT/EOD/etc.

Rock River was the best performer he'd seen, and his team and men have put thousands of rounds through several brands.

If I was in the market, that is what I'd get.

Somewhere there are some testing reports of various breands/models, and the RR came out on top.
 
I have a rock river and an armalite. the rock river has it all over my armalite. a buddy as a panther and my rock river shoots rings around it. when he bought his panther he actually had to send it back b4 he shot it due to an issue with the trigger from the factory. panther still makes good stuff. this is one issue out of a million. I still prefer rock river.
 
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I have a RR lower that I put together myself and use it with a 10.5" upper. The thing is so perfect in every way. Fit/finish/function.

RR..... good to go.
 
im sorry id have to disagree. even though the rock river is really good gun, from what ive shot i like the dpms better. and my son has a noveske with a dpms upper. Thatll take a flys wings off at 100 yards. but all of these rifles can be modified to be just as good as the next. just takes time and money to tweak it the way you want.
 
I am a member of DEA's FAST team. DEA, worldwide, has all of it's weapons made by Rock River. On our specialized team we have some of the modified RR uppers on our M-4s. My little brother joined PD in Arizona and wanted an AR. I ordered him a RR. Never used or handled a DPMS, so cannot compare it to RR. IF I was to purchase my own AR, it would be a RR.
 
From what I've read on various gun forums the factor that most people who own various M4's like about RR's over others is the two stage trigger that comes standard. It's a feature usually only found on match grade rifles, and it seems to be what sets them apart. Otherwise they all pretty much use the same specs. I can't think of a single feature that anyone has ever mentioned besides this. Otherwise they all seem pretty neck and neck, but everyone loves the triggers on RR's. It's all I have so I can't compare, but when I've dry fired other brands there's a lot of creep in the trigger and I don't have that in my RR.
 
Skip both and get an LMT, or LMT lower and BCM upper either standard 16" carbine or 16" midlength.
 
Ive shot colt AR's, dpms', and bushmasters, none were mine, thankfully. The bushmaster and colt had a better trigger, the dpms' trigger was lousy at best, and the dpms felt... well... cheap. All jammed, as well as almost every other AR Ive ever seen shot at the range. I went with a mini14, mine has never jammed in approx. a thousand rounds... misfed once because of a weak spring in a magazine. Accuracy on the mini14 is lousy out of the box, thats why I had it rebuilt... 1" bull barrel machined down to .900", two stage 2lb. trigger, muzzle brake, steel bedding etc... shoots 1/2 MOA at 100 yards, bolt it down and it will flirt with 1/4 MOA and it doesnt vent gases into the chamber! so it doesnt jam!:rolleyes:. Just my .02... AR's are too mall ninja for my tastes and their design is flawed for reliability, but excellent for accuracy. You fix the inherent accuracy problem with the mini14's and youre left with a better gun, IMO. I hope my post doesn't ruffle any feathers, as that was not my intention.:thumbup: Another thing about the mini14 is that its based on the M1 Garand, the gun we won World Wars with, the AR is based on the m16 which made it debute in Vietnam, a war we lost... another way to look at it I guess. Once again, I apologize if I upset any AR or soon to be AR owners, they look mean and are fun but that about it. I have held my tongue long enough. And this is not Ruger spam!
 
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Ok, I have interest in this. Iv'e shot Colt, Bushmaster, Armalite, and never had any trouble with them. I've also had friends who had RR DPMS and had quite a bit of trouble with them. I don't own one, but I'm working on it.. the Lewis Machine and tool is sending units to our troops. Dsarms is making an excellent version, but If your buying a new AR, why not get the new POF gas piston system. shoots cleaner, cooler and it's cleanable. I have 8 bushmasters of different configurations and for the money and custom service, I think they are probably the best bang for the buck.. Armalite is excellent as well, colt screwed the pooch when they resized most of their internal parts not to accept mil spec parts. not to mention their customer service is pathetic from my calls to them.
What ever you go with.. GET IT SOON> Along with at Least a 1,000 case of ammo. Pick up about 10 mags. HK mags are best, Pmags are good. mil spec is ok.
ps.. don't forget the Sig 556. Great trigger, uses AR mags, piston system, only, if you get the commando with folding stock be prepared to put an ACE folding stock on it.. the mag pul folder loosens.. I've already had to replace it already, although sig did take care of it.
 
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fbusmc said:
If your buying a new AR, why not get the new POF gas piston system. shoots cleaner, cooler and it's cleanable.
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Great advice!!!! Or just get a mini14. One other thing is this, you will hear people belly ache about the mini14's aftermarket magazines being prone to failure. Factory 20 rounders are available from Ruger now! And ProMag makes a great, cheap and effective aftermarket magazine, everything else can kiss my grits, now if only those bastids at Ruger would wise up and make some factory 10 rounders....
 
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gatorzingo said:
I value the knowledge and expertise here. A buddy of mine is looking into purchasing his first M4 A2. He has expressed to me the DPMS "sportical". I think he will get more bang for the buck with a Rock River CAR A4. The Rock River comes with a front sight while the DPMS does not. I have the RR CAR A4 and she is a sweet weapon.

Any thoughts are well appreciated.
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The "sportical" version of DPMS is a cheaper version then their regular offering.
I beieve it lacks a ejection port cover and foward assist, going from memory.
It's called "Sportical" because it's not fit for tactical work because of what I already mentioned.
The rep of RRA is better then DPMS.
I'd go RRA if I was your bud.
If you do go DPMS you don't want the sportical unless you just want a cheap range gun.
 
Did you know there is a 20% tax on buying the whole rifle at once?
If you want a good deal with top quality get a RRA "Pistol" lower.
Then buy a Noveske Rifleworks LLC complete upper. "vids" http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?cat=4

With a AR 15 pistol lower you can build legally a rifle or a pistol.
For a rifle you need a 16 inch barrel and a stock.
For a pistol you need any size upper 10.5 is good you can go as low as 7inch,then you need a buffer tube installed and not a rifle stock.
You get two for one if you buy one AR pistol lower and one pistol upper and one rifle upper.
They'll use the same mags and ammo.
Then if you want you can add 6.5 Grendel and .50 Beowulf in rifle or pistol or both.
You can hunt varmints to elephants with one AR lower.
You can have a compact CQB weapon or a long range sniper weapon with just a 10 second change of an upper that will fit in a backpack or in a computer case.
 
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no offense but the experts here are of the knife knowledge, kinda the wrong place to ask. that being said dpms is crap and rock river is less crap than dpms. there i said it. go with m&p, lmt, noveske, colt. those arent necesarily in order of preference just how i recalled them.
 
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