drawing salve's

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This is a new addition to my pack,probably not new to most of you guys.
There are a couple of different brands,Ichthammol, Prid,Beema I think are a few. I got bit by some kind of spider this weekend and I'll be damned if my right arm didnt swell up like a sausage.Plus necrosis on a nickle sized area.I know this aint much compared to a REAL spider bite but it sure would hinder me in a camping/wsk situation.
can anybody reccomend snakebite kits or something else for spiderbites.
 
Hey Joe, spiderbites aint nothing to mess with.
I'd recommend a trip to the Doctor.

You could try the survival forum...I think there is at least one medic there.
But a visit to the local clinic is prolly the best bet.
 
Dr Klenner and his son have had more experience in the clinical use of vitamin C in treating things like snakebites , spider bites etc.Vitamin C is a powerfull detoxifier. Usually injected 5 grams every 4 hours , you could take it orally too. It's a great first aid especially if you're far from a doctor..I tried that on a friend would had been bitten by bugs and his whole body was swollen and red .One hour later the redness and swelling was hardly detectable !! Do some research on Dr F.R.Klenner .
 
I Got the bit sat. A.M. i went to the local hospital sun A.M. In that time span it got about 150 % worse.I dont know if i'm allergic or not ( I think it was a wolf spider Those brown recluse bites are nasty)The hospital gave me an Iv plus anti-biotics,then monday my dr gave me different antibiotics plus some prednisone.Its still slightly swollen and itchy today...I hate spiders.

The vitaman c is a good tip i was wondering if any of those drawing salves are any good,I bought some too late.Thanks for the help .
Andrew thanks for the links :barf: :D
 
I used a herbal salve on a brown recluse bite and it worked wonderfully. By wonderfully I mean it healed completely without even leaving a scar, but it still hurt like hell. Drew all the toxin into a knot that when it ruptured soaked the back of my pants leg with blood and pus. All in all not a bad outcome. :D This was twenty years ago so I don't remember exactly what the product was, but it was similar to this one:

http://www.earthlyherbs.com/black-salve.htm

Jack
 
Those "drawing salves" were around a lot when I was a kid. I don't know if they had any actual effect or not; the body's reaction to a foriegn body like a thorn or splinter is to gradually destroy the surrounding tissue so the item can migrate to the surface.
This works pretty well in most cases, though there is always the danger of a severe infection like tetanus or gangrene.

Snake-bite "kits" have been deemed to be almost completely ineffectual and may cause more harm than good. Once the venom is in your tissues, it's essentially impossible to remove.
Carrying anitvenin with you is impractical; it's complex to administer properly.
The best first aid is to keep the victim as calm as possible and to move as little as possible to slow circulation.
Most venomous snakes in the continental US are not particularly dangerous; exceptions being the big rattlesnakes which have long fangs and lots of venom.
Tissue necrosis tends to be severe.

The best bet is prevention. Learn to recognize venomous species that live in the area you're going to be, wear good boots, look where you are stepping, don't plop down on logs or rocks without inspecting underneath same, and so forth.
The vast majority of snakebite incidents in the US involve alchohol. "look dude, a rattler! Let's bring it home to momma!"
 
QUOTE]The vast majority of snakebite incidents in the US involve alchohol. "look dude, a rattler! Let's bring it home to momma!"[/QUOTE]

Thats the kind of behavior that should get someone hurt !
I can feel safe about a snake bite not happening,but those damn spiders get you in your sleep.This only re-affirms my hatred for them.
I waited 5 days and i still got no super powers,no spidey sense,no improved reflexes :rolleyes:
 
donovan said:
I used a herbal salve on a brown recluse bite and it worked wonderfully. By wonderfully I mean it healed completely without even leaving a scar, but it still hurt like hell. Drew all the toxin into a knot that when it ruptured soaked the back of my pants leg with blood and pus. All in all not a bad outcome. :D This was twenty years ago so I don't remember exactly what the product was, but it was similar to this one:

http://www.earthlyherbs.com/black-salve.htm

Jack

That is funny that you should post that Jack. When I was a young lad in England, my dad used to have a pot of black stuff that was used for bites and drawing the muck out of boils. He called it 'Blackjack'. I seem to remember it was a coal tar derivitive.

Valimas. Pleased you went and got it sorted out. That Herbal Potion I posted has some very good testimonials. It isn't too late to get some.

Here is the info on your Wolf Spider;
http://www.surviveoutdoors.com/reference/spiders/forest_wolf.asp

wolf-spider.jpg


Forest Wolf Spider
This Forest Wolf Spider is rather large, male 3/8", female 3/8 - 1/2". This Wolf Spider hides by day, hunts at night. They are superb hunters, both day and night. The bite causes intense itching and may progress to (necrotic arachnidism) local tissue death. The venom is cytotoxic and generalized destruction of red blood cells are not usually seen. Treatment is the same as for the brown recluse.

Outdoor Treatment for Forest Wolf Spider Bite:

Elevation of the extremity is important. Cool compresses rather than warm are important. Tetanus update should be provided. Keep the bite site clean until reaching your health care provider for further treatment. Antihistamines may help control itching but will not change the wound. Sometimes surgical excision of the wound site needs to occur.

A series of 515 cases of confirmed Lycosa bites in Brazil showed that most occur between the hours of 6 AM and 6 PM, at a fairly consistent rate year-round. The most common bite sites were feet (40%) and hands (39%). The most common signs and symptoms were all local, with pain in 83%, swelling in 19%, and erythema in 14%. No local necrosis was described.
In the United States five cases of Lycosidae bites have been documented. One resulted in skin necrosis at the bite site, probably from the combined results of envenomation and infection.

-Wilderness Medicine, edited by Paul S. Auerbach.

http://www.calpoison.org/public/spiders.html#5

Wolf spiders

Wolf spiders are commonly found in California. They are large hairy spiders, up to 3-4 inches across. They are a mottled gray-brown color, which helps them hide in sand, gravel, leaves and other debris. Female wolf spiders carry their young on their backs. Except for one group, wolf spiders do not spin webs. They tend to burrow into the earth and hide. They are aggressive, come after their prey and are fast runners. Because of their impressive size and aggressiveness, wolf spiders can easily incite panic.

Bites from a wolf spider can cause pain, redness and swelling. The large jaws/fangs can cause a tear in the skin as they bite. Swollen lymph glands may develop. The skin area at the bite may turn black. Swelling and pain can last up to ten days.


They give me the creeps and those little buggers can run!
 
:eek: :eek: Ok it wasnt a wolf spider,If i saw anything that looked like that i'd have given it the old WD-40 bic lighter torch treatment :) I torched one like that in my bathroom at 3 AM a couple years ago.It was so big i actually saw the light reflecting off of its eyes,like a deer in headlights :eek:

I think what got me was a jumping spider I'll make that my final guess.
Ebbtide ,next time i'm near indian point ill look for a spider to bite me :D
 
Indian Point ??? That radiation makes them 6' long !!! They'll carry you off .
 
valimas said:
I waited 5 days and i still got no super powers,no spidey sense,no improved reflexes :rolleyes:

That only happens if you get bit by a radioactive spider. If you get bit by a radioactive cockroach that turns you into a SuperDuperWhuperModerator. :eek:
 
Soap and sugar on a damp piece of lint is supposed to draw any bite/wound, alledgedly,....just a thought from my long distant youthful days....well a week last Sunday anyway...
 
Honey makes an excellent wound dressing. It's been used for thousands of years and has been scientifically studied. It increases the flow of leucocytes therefore speeds healing and it has anti-bacterial action. Another benefit is that no scab forms ! ..There is now a dressing with glucose available ,approved by the 'medical profession' I wonder where they got that idea...There is a Manuka plant in New Zealand which produces honey with much better anti-bacterial properties ,including the nasty bacteria you find in hospitals.....The problem with salves for things like snake or spider bites is that the venom goes into the bloodstream immediately. The vitamin C seems to be the best first aid option.
 
i stuck a mesquite thorn in my foot a few yrs back and my mom talked me into putting that ichthamol stuff on it and my dr. said not to use that stuff anymore it wasnt good for anything lol, FWIW. he said a decent antibiotic ointment was 100% better.
 
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