ESEE Laser Strike

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Hi guys,

I'm a total newb to this forum and to these knives in general. I've been debating between the BK16/BK17 and the Esee Laser Strike for a while and think I am going to go with the LS first (tough choice). Seems to be a good all around knife from a good company.

A couple newb questions. Looking at the forums, I was surprised that there are no Esee forums in the manufacturer section. Is this just under a different name?

Lastly and more important, I looked around a bit and keep seeing the LS out of stock in most places. Is this temporary or are they discontinuing them?

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
On paper the LS looks like a good knife, but people shy away from it for some reason. I don't know if that is because of the blade shape, or possibly the handle shape. The ESEE 4 seems to be very similar in specifications. I have not compared with the BK17/17 but it seems to me that they are smaller/lighter knives. People that have them like them a lot though.
 
Looking at the forums, I was surprised that there are no Esee forums in the manufacturer section. Is this just under a different name?

ESEE closed their manufacturer subforum some years ago, they have their own forum off-site.
 
ESEE closed their manufacturer subforum some years ago, they have their own forum off-site.

^yep.

And I'm not aware of the LS being out of production, perhaps its just temporary?

And the LS is one of ESEE's better knives in their lineup, but for some reason it doesn't get talked about quite as much as the 4/6, perhaps because its not been around as long? And compared to the BK16/17, the LS is a larger knife (longer blade length, and thicker blade stock), which is neither good nor bad, just different.

Enjoy the new steel :).
 
Thanks guys.

Yeah, I really had a hard time deciding. I'm a rookie and there is no way for me to try them out locally to see how they feel in my hand, so I have to base everything on reviews and others feedback.

A week ago I was convinced of the LS, but I love the look of the BK17. It's like the hot chick I can't take my eyes off of. Since I'm a rookie, most of the more experienced people I've read about feel the drop point is more practical. I was convinced at one point to get the BK16. Got great reviews and seems like a great knife. Did some research on the Esee4 compared to the BK16 and it seemed like a tossup with most people that complained about the Esee4, described the improvements made in the LS. So for similar $$ (~$30 difference from what I see on the BK16/BK17 @ $70 vs the LS @ $100) I thought the better black finish, a little extra reach/weight, better sheath and scales, I'll give it a go.

Today looking around to pull the trigger, I see the LS mostly out of stock or up at $130+. If it stays that pricey, I'll have to fall back on the BK16 (and somehow resist the urge to get the BK17).

Thanks for the feedback guys.
 
Today looking around to pull the trigger, I see the LS mostly out of stock or up at $130+. If it stays that pricey, I'll have to fall back on the BK16 (and somehow resist the urge to get the BK17).

LS is usually out of stock because it's so good that they can't build them fast enough for demand.

Both blades are great designs, but the ESEE comes with superior micarta handles (with a ferro rod inside) and the best kydex sheath to ever come with a factory knife.
 
Good luck and welcome. I think the biggest difference is the handle, Zytel vs Micarta. I think the micarta will give you better grip.

It would also help if you told us what your intended useage would be. That way we can comment on the better blade shape and if the choil is appropriate for your useage. Spend some time on the tube, there are plenty of reviews and comparisons
 
nucknfutz-

A month ago I was exactly where you are!!! The dilemma was enough to drive me nucknfutz. (ahh... see what I did there?)

I knew I wanted a drop point/spear point so it was down to the BK16 or the LS. ended up buying the ESEE LS on Amazon for $106.00. I now see they're up to $115 on amazon.

I justified the extra expense over the BK16 because if I wanted Micarta scales, plus a kydex sheath, I'd spent another $50 over the cost of the BK16, which would make the Becker more investment than the ESEE. Buy once cry once and all that, so I got the LS.
I loved the look, loved the feel of the materials, the sheath, etc... I thought the knife was the bees knees. I took it out for an initial test and it performed admirably. But a week later when i really wrung it out, I realized there was a very significant issue for me. The scales on that handle make it very very boxy. It became very uncomfortable to hold. Not because of the funny index finger position, that didn't bother me. It just had to do with how square the handle was. I wasn't about to take a new knife that was expensive (for me) and start grinding down scales and reshaping handles and all that.
I ended up selling it to a friend, and bought the BK16. Right from the get-go, the BK16 fit my hand like a glove. I've taken it to the woods and it is conformable for extended use, cuts like crazy, and is more than up to the task to deal with anything I'd realistically do with a knife. I don't plan to upgrade to micarta scales just yet, as the givory/zytel ones are just fine for now. As for the sheath, I'm tooling up to make my own kydex sheaths so that'll also happen, but the stock one is just fine for now. I have no doubt at all that the BK16 will be every bit as durable as the ESEE would have been.

Now, would I say anything bad about the ESEE? No. I think of it like a girl who I went on a couple of dates with who was a lovely person, we just didn't mesh romantically. I would not say anything bad about the girl, and if my friend wanted to date her i'd encourage it and tell him how wonderful she is. That's how the ESEE is to me. A fantastic, very very well made knife that will do ANYTHING a knife could reasonably do and do it for a lifetime's worth of use. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. It just didn't fit my hand with those boxy slab scales. Many other people don't have a problem with that, and many comparable knives (Ontario SK5 For example) have the same setup. I just happen to prefer the more svelte, curved feel of my BK16.

For a more direct comparison of the blades, I don't think the difference in the degree of the drop point is all that significant, at least I didn't find either way to be superior in my testing. The LS has a slightly longer blade, but it's not like you'll really notice a difference in how well they chop or anything since neither is a chopper. They both have more than enough blade to cut stuff, which is why we have knives in the first place. Both will make a nice pile of wood shavings. Both will baton approximately equal sized logs, if that's your thing (I don't do it so i don't care, but it matters to some).
One possible advantage of the BK16 is that the tang extends slightly past the handle scales, so if you need to whack the back of the knife or use the back of the tang to hit tent stakes or something, you're not going to hit and potentially damage the scales themselves. Not a big deal and not a big advantage at all, as I'd rather use a chunk of wood to do those things than the back of my knife anyway.

All in all, get the one you like. I like them both, but find the BK16 to be more comfortable to use.
 
I've never handled the LS personally, but I do think on paper it's gotta some merit to it. However, I can say that the ESEE 4 is one of the most comfortable fixed blade handles for my hands that I've found and I prefer the blade shape of the 4 to the LS. I don't have any experience with Becker though so can't offer any comparisons that way.
 
nucknfutz-

A month ago I was exactly where you are!!! The dilemma was enough to drive me nucknfutz. (ahh... see what I did there?)

I knew I wanted a drop point/spear point so it was down to the BK16 or the LS. ended up buying the ESEE LS on Amazon for $106.00. I now see they're up to $115 on amazon.

I justified the extra expense over the BK16 because if I wanted Micarta scales, plus a kydex sheath, I'd spent another $50 over the cost of the BK16, which would make the Becker more investment than the ESEE. Buy once cry once and all that, so I got the LS.
I loved the look, loved the feel of the materials, the sheath, etc... I thought the knife was the bees knees. I took it out for an initial test and it performed admirably. But a week later when i really wrung it out, I realized there was a very significant issue for me. The scales on that handle make it very very boxy. It became very uncomfortable to hold. Not because of the funny index finger position, that didn't bother me. It just had to do with how square the handle was. I wasn't about to take a new knife that was expensive (for me) and start grinding down scales and reshaping handles and all that.
I ended up selling it to a friend, and bought the BK16. Right from the get-go, the BK16 fit my hand like a glove. I've taken it to the woods and it is conformable for extended use, cuts like crazy, and is more than up to the task to deal with anything I'd realistically do with a knife. I don't plan to upgrade to micarta scales just yet, as the givory/zytel ones are just fine for now. As for the sheath, I'm tooling up to make my own kydex sheaths so that'll also happen, but the stock one is just fine for now. I have no doubt at all that the BK16 will be every bit as durable as the ESEE would have been.

Now, would I say anything bad about the ESEE? No. I think of it like a girl who I went on a couple of dates with who was a lovely person, we just didn't mesh romantically. I would not say anything bad about the girl, and if my friend wanted to date her i'd encourage it and tell him how wonderful she is. That's how the ESEE is to me. A fantastic, very very well made knife that will do ANYTHING a knife could reasonably do and do it for a lifetime's worth of use. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. It just didn't fit my hand with those boxy slab scales. Many other people don't have a problem with that, and many comparable knives (Ontario SK5 For example) have the same setup. I just happen to prefer the more svelte, curved feel of my BK16.

For a more direct comparison of the blades, I don't think the difference in the degree of the drop point is all that significant, at least I didn't find either way to be superior in my testing. The LS has a slightly longer blade, but it's not like you'll really notice a difference in how well they chop or anything since neither is a chopper. They both have more than enough blade to cut stuff, which is why we have knives in the first place. Both will make a nice pile of wood shavings. Both will baton approximately equal sized logs, if that's your thing (I don't do it so i don't care, but it matters to some).
One possible advantage of the BK16 is that the tang extends slightly past the handle scales, so if you need to whack the back of the knife or use the back of the tang to hit tent stakes or something, you're not going to hit and potentially damage the scales themselves. Not a big deal and not a big advantage at all, as I'd rather use a chunk of wood to do those things than the back of my knife anyway.

All in all, get the one you like. I like them both, but find the BK16 to be more comfortable to use.

Sounds like you need to do an adequate comparison with photos and post them in the testing and review section...
 
Not a bad idea, actually. They each have plenty of reviews individually but not much in the way of a head to head comparison. I sold the LS right after our amicable breakup but still have the pics. So I can't do a perfect comparison with both together, but I can definitely get something up there.
 
nucknfutz-

A month ago I was exactly where you are!!! The dilemma was enough to drive me nucknfutz. (ahh... see what I did there?)

I knew I wanted a drop point/spear point so it was down to the BK16 or the LS. ended up buying the ESEE LS on Amazon for $106.00. I now see they're up to $115 on amazon.

I justified the extra expense over the BK16 because if I wanted Micarta scales, plus a kydex sheath, I'd spent another $50 over the cost of the BK16, which would make the Becker more investment than the ESEE. Buy once cry once and all that, so I got the LS.
I loved the look, loved the feel of the materials, the sheath, etc... I thought the knife was the bees knees. I took it out for an initial test and it performed admirably. But a week later when i really wrung it out, I realized there was a very significant issue for me. The scales on that handle make it very very boxy. It became very uncomfortable to hold. Not because of the funny index finger position, that didn't bother me. It just had to do with how square the handle was. I wasn't about to take a new knife that was expensive (for me) and start grinding down scales and reshaping handles and all that.
I ended up selling it to a friend, and bought the BK16. Right from the get-go, the BK16 fit my hand like a glove. I've taken it to the woods and it is conformable for extended use, cuts like crazy, and is more than up to the task to deal with anything I'd realistically do with a knife. I don't plan to upgrade to micarta scales just yet, as the givory/zytel ones are just fine for now. As for the sheath, I'm tooling up to make my own kydex sheaths so that'll also happen, but the stock one is just fine for now. I have no doubt at all that the BK16 will be every bit as durable as the ESEE would have been.

Now, would I say anything bad about the ESEE? No. I think of it like a girl who I went on a couple of dates with who was a lovely person, we just didn't mesh romantically. I would not say anything bad about the girl, and if my friend wanted to date her i'd encourage it and tell him how wonderful she is. That's how the ESEE is to me. A fantastic, very very well made knife that will do ANYTHING a knife could reasonably do and do it for a lifetime's worth of use. I have nothing bad to say about it at all. It just didn't fit my hand with those boxy slab scales. Many other people don't have a problem with that, and many comparable knives (Ontario SK5 For example) have the same setup. I just happen to prefer the more svelte, curved feel of my BK16.

For a more direct comparison of the blades, I don't think the difference in the degree of the drop point is all that significant, at least I didn't find either way to be superior in my testing. The LS has a slightly longer blade, but it's not like you'll really notice a difference in how well they chop or anything since neither is a chopper. They both have more than enough blade to cut stuff, which is why we have knives in the first place. Both will make a nice pile of wood shavings. Both will baton approximately equal sized logs, if that's your thing (I don't do it so i don't care, but it matters to some).
One possible advantage of the BK16 is that the tang extends slightly past the handle scales, so if you need to whack the back of the knife or use the back of the tang to hit tent stakes or something, you're not going to hit and potentially damage the scales themselves. Not a big deal and not a big advantage at all, as I'd rather use a chunk of wood to do those things than the back of my knife anyway.

All in all, get the one you like. I like them both, but find the BK16 to be more comfortable to use.

You bring up some good points. The ESEE knives are priced higher than the Becker ones, but they do come with some "extras" already built into that price. I feel the decision should be primarily made on blade shape/size and handle preferences, as handle materials and sheath materials are easier to change than the physical size/shape of the knife.

But the clencher for me is just how good the handle shapes are on Ethans knives (at least for me). They have been a touch on the smaller side (in girth, not length). To fix this for myself, I have just added small liners under the handle scales to make them fit my palms a bit better. Works great :).

Sounds like you need to do an adequate comparison with photos and post them in the testing and review section...

Here here!

I totally agree. I love comparison reviews between similar/popular blades. Even just side by side photos can help a bunch, as it can give you a frame of reference for other things.
 
I feel the decision should be primarily made on blade shape/size and handle preferences, as handle materials and sheath materials are easier to change than the physical size/shape of the knife.

Absolutely. I will say, that TKC has some beautiful looking replacement scales that look like they would round out the grip a bit, and would probably have made it comfortable for my hand. But after having spent $106 on a knife, I wasn't about to lay out another $52 (plus shipping) to get the scales that would have fixed the ergonomic issue. From a monetary perspective it just didn't make sense to me when the BK16 already had a more rounded grip shape that would suit me better, and end up costing me less anyway. Ya know?

That said, the LS with those TKC scales would have been a dead sexy knife!!!
 
Not a bad idea, actually. They each have plenty of reviews individually but not much in the way of a head to head comparison. I sold the LS right after our amicable breakup but still have the pics. So I can't do a perfect comparison with both together, but I can definitely get something up there.

Yes, please :thumbup::thumbup:
 
You friggin guys :) I'm so confused again lol. I do appreciate all the feedback.

I vote for a side by side comparison too!

I wish I could try them out first, I think it would help me decide right away. Ok, 19-3ben, you are swaying me back to the BK's, especially with the LS jumping up to the $130 range. That's just too much for me. Now I just have to decide between the 16 and the 17.

So many people (with tons of experience) seem to recommend the 16 over the 17. I should probably go by their expertise and get that, just the 17 looks so cool, especially after it has been stripped....
 
You friggin guys

Oh please. If that's the worst thing someone calls me all day, i'd be doing alright!:thumbup:

So many people (with tons of experience) seem to recommend the 16 over the 17. I should probably go by their expertise and get that, just the 17 looks so cool, especially after it has been stripped....

The BK17 is very cool. If you're that close in your decision, it may pay to post up a "BK16 or BK17" thread in the Becker section and let the Neanderthals over there abuse you. I promise, when they run out of beer and dirty jokes, they'll eventually get around to giving you some good info.

Before I had ever picked a brand/model, I had decided on a carbon steel drop point or spear point knife in the 4"-5" range and went from there. I kind of knew which specs I wanted and then bought the blade that fit what my needs/wants.

Think about what you'll be doing with the knife what what each tip design would offer for you. I haven't stripped the BK16 and don't plan to, but IMHO, they both look darn sexy stripped down.
 
Logan, I saw that review in my travels. Great job.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the BK16. Since I'll save some $$ from the LS I was considering, I'll be able to get a cheap folder to keep in my pocket for EDC. Just have to pick one of those now :).
 
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