Evoloution of a sheath design

Horsewright

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Recently I made a batch of five roundknives. A roundknife is a traditional leather cutting tool. I made a simple half moon slip sheath for each. Mostly I view the sheath as a safety measure for shipping. However I realized there are a lot of folks that don't have a "shop" so to speak and must needs put there tools a way, young children around etc. Keeping this in mind I wanted a more secure sheath than my simple slip. Gary talked about this in the passaround thread and came up with a good idea on modifying an existing sheath. But this batch of roundknives were my first for sale and I wanted them to leave here with something kind of distinctive and yet safe and secure.

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So here was the first try. Can't really see it but the whole stich line has a welt. What I did was skive down the welt at both ends. My hope was that additional friction on the blade would provide enough bite. While this seemed to work for a little bit it still wasn't secure enough. If I held the knife by the handle and shook it gently the sheath would fall off.

So Nichole and I cussed and discussed this at length. I took this sheath apart and put two welts in sewn only to the bottom side leaving a "valley" for the tang of the knife to fit down into.

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Interesting this worked very well. The knife would almost click down into place. Very secure. The problem was getting the knife back out. It was simply dangerous. In fact Nichole almost cut herslef getting the knife out. Can't do this one.

So then I thought what if I do a simple lining, maybe that would give enough friction for the sheath to stay put. My roundknives are all a little "organic" in that they are each slightly unique, not cookie cutter made so to speak. I wanted this sheath design to be universal and not have to be fitted to an indivdual knife. So in this next pic in the center you see the center sheath is lined. Well it didn't work either. On a couple of the knives it seemed to work and I thought it was there. But on some of the others not so good. Let it sit overnight and it seemed to loosen up on all of them. Plus I was slicing the heck out of the lining. No go.

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So while this pic shows 3 sheaths it actually shows five versions of the sheath. On the left one was the fist version with the full welt. It was also the second version where I thinned down the wlet ends for added friction. It was also the third version with the two locking lugs, which I named "thumb amputation alley" In the center was the lined version, try number four and finally on the right the final version I decide to go with. Borrowing an idea from my firend Chris, and with his permission, I put a welt on the front right side of the sheath. The knife is slid into the sheath at an angle and then centered and the bottom left side has a flap that comes up and over and locks down onto a Sam Browne stud. Safe, secure and universal. Each of the five knives would go into each sheath.

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So whadya think? We there?
 
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Thanks Just Wickett and Craig leather and warm neatsfoot oil.
 
Hrmm, this Chris fella seems like a swell guy! ;)

When I was working on the sheaths for my round knives and decided to line them, you mentioned hair on hide. Do you think this would be practical, maybe having the hair pointed away from the opening of the sheath, or do you think it would just get cut by the knife and continually dull the blade?

Looks good as always Dave!
Chris
 
I like it Dave ... it ticks all the boxes: particularly the personal safety aspect.:thumbup:

Derek
 
Good idea there Dave!

G2
 
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Thanks guys! Chris I'm just not sure hair on would be enough. Doubt that it would affect the edge much as hard as these things are and yours wern't too far behind if I remember right.

Dang Gary where'd all the good stuff with the ax go?? I'd read it yesterday morning but was heading out of town for the day so didn't reply and now poof its gone. I knida wanted to study that idea up some as it had lots of merit it looked like. If ya can repost it please.

Yeah Brumby that one version was just dangerous. I'd of had to send out a box of bandaids with each sheath.
 
Dave, after posting I decided that the images were not that good, didn't want to drag down your thread ;) normally I would take better photos but it was a last minute decision to even record the idea I had, you can see the thread that also has an axe belt holster I made to here

And I think the snap on the one third side of the sheath might be the cleanest and snuggest way to retain those round knives, worth a shot to try one :)
G2
 
I'm on vacation in Fla., stopped in to dunkin donuts to use free wi-fi and visit my favorite forum (Sheaths). Well Dave I'm impressed with your sheath that came with my round knife. I didn't realize you put all that work into its design. I have to say that it works great and it will last me forever. Thanks for all that you do. Also the round knife and skiver you made for me are top notch.
John S.
 
I know that mine turned out superb - just like the knives. This skiver is the best I've tried by a LONG shot.
 
Thank-you guys! Its fun to make tools for guys that use em and use em enough to know the difference.
 
Forgot the best part, a picture. The flexibility in the skiver is amazing and gives you so much control over a strap. I've used the chisel type and a plain head knife but the handle always interfered with the angle I wanted. Now life is good.

 
Now that's two of us who think that Dave Ferry skiver is the best thing since sliced bread! I haven't picked up my old Hyde number 2 knives since I got the new one from Dave.

Paul
 
Thanks guys! Ya guys keep bragging like that and I'm gonna have to send ya a Horsewright T shirt or something!
 
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